Bio: Dafna Michaelson is the founder and Journeywoman behind the 50 in 52 Journey in which she traveled to all 50 United States and Washington D.C within the 52 weeks of one year to find, highlight, and elevate ordinary people doing extraordinary things, solving problems and building community.
As an Author, Speaker, TEDx speaker and TEDxCrestmoorpark Curator, Dafna continues the work she began with the 50in52 Journey to inspire others to action. She does not simply speak to her audiences, she elevates, empowers, and engages them through storytelling, motivational recounting of her nationwide journey, and inspires them to action so that they too can be empowered to make changes in their communities, their workplaces, their families, and their lives.
Dafna received her MBA from the Daniels College of Business in 2001, and is the President and Founder of the Journey Institute. Dafna works with small business owners, entrepreneurs and educational faculties to strengthen the core operations of their business settings through motivating their human talent. Dafna utilizes systems she developed following her travels to all 50 states to find the secrets accomplished problem solvers use to create success in workplace and community.
Dafna has been interviewed by the late Maya Angelou and has been featured by CBS Sunday Morning, the Denver Post, NPR and CNN.com. Her book “It takes a little crazy to make a difference” won the 2015 International Book Award in the Social Change category. She has traveled around the world to empower people of all ages into action.
Zephan: Hello, everyone. This is Zephan Blacksburg, and today, I am joined by Dafna Michaelson Jenet. She is the founder and journey woman behind The 50 in 52 Journey. In which, she traveled to all fifty United States and Washington DC within fifty-two weeks of one year to find, highlight, and elevate extraordinary people doing extraordinary things, solving problems and building community. She’s been featured as a TEDx speaker, is president and founder of The Journey Institute and works with small business owners, entrepreneurs and educational faculties to strengthen the core operations of their business settings through motivating their human talent. Dafna utilizes systems she developed following her travels to all fifty states to find the secrets accomplished problem solvers use to create success in workplace and community. She’s here with me today! What’s going on?
Dafna: Hi! Lots of good stuff.
Zephan: So I love your story because anything that involves travel and learning more about where we are in our community and finding those hidden gems always inspires me. As many people who listen to the podcast know, the podcast was motivated out of my trip around the country over the course of two months. First, flying for thirty days. Second, a nine day, three-thousand-mile road trip. So I love anything that is inspired by exploring everything around us.
Dafna: I think I need to hear your story more than you need to hear mine!
Zephan: I have to ask, what lead you to do that? Cause I know, for me, there were a lot of transformational moments and it started with a decision to leave my job and I started a business, and then the business wasn’t as fulfilling and I wanted to find more. That’s kind of what led me to the travel and to do something different. I’m curious to hear from you. Where were you working and what were you doing before this?
Dafna: I think my story is a little bit less organized and well thought out than yours. The idea to quit my job and do all of this travel was really stemmed by a conversation I had with my boyfriend of what I would do if I won the lottery.
I apologize. I don’t know if that truck is too noisy. It’s a gorgeous day our here in Colorado and I couldn’t resist being outside.
So we were in the grocery store and he needed to break a twenty and I was this single mom, two kids, mortgage, and tuition, and somehow conned this guy into dating me. We’re in the grocery store and he says, “Oh, I’ve got to break a twenty and the lottery is at four hundred and fifty million. I’m going to go buy a ticket.” I was standing there thinking, “Okay. I need to not have my ‘I don’t play the lottery because my parents were very poor and they always lost the lottery’—I need to not have that meltdown right here because then I’m going to lose the boyfriend.” And I’m like “Okay, fine, you go ahead and buy that lottery ticket and I’ll pray for you.” I think it’s off, it’s not on me, it’s his thing.
We get into the car and he’s like “Okay. What are you going to do when we win the lottery?” I’m like, “Oh my god. I can’t play this game. I can’t play this game. I can’t play this game.” He’s like, “Yes, you can. Play the stupid game!” I’m like, “Okay.” I outfit my Porsche Cayenne, hybrid because I care about the environment. Then, he says, “Okay. Well, would you travel?” I said, “You better believe, I’m going to travel. I’m going to go to all fifty states. I’m going to meet with every Governor and I’m going to ask them what they’re doing to engage their citizens and solving community problems.” Just like that. He’s just kind of looking at me because we all know what the right answer was. “Fiji, we’re going to go to Fiji.” That’s not what came out of my mouth.
For three hours, I could not stop talking about why we needed to talk to ordinary people. The people who are in office were not the only people who could solve the problems. They needed to be reaching out to their community. They needed to know what were solutions that they could get behind and how could the community members tell you what the problems—blah, blah, blah, blah. Three hours. And he bought the wrong lottery ticket. To make up for that gregarious error, I made him marry me…but, in the interim, I said to him “I think I need to do this anyway.” I was so hook, line, and sinker, bought in on this idea.
At the time, I had just completed a program called Leadership Denver, which many cities have a Leadership whatever. Ours is tied with our Denver metro Chamber of Commerce. We had spent an entire year together, studying how problems were solved in the city and county of Denver. It was late 2008, and we were going to be the house of the National Democratic Convention. No matter what party you were, all anybody was talking about was the election. People who I admired, who I believed were problem solvers, were saying “I can’t wait until somebody gets into the office and starts solving some problems around here.” I was like “Wait a minute, isn’t that what we signed up for? Isn’t is our job to be solving some problems around here? If we, who are the problem solvers, are waiting for somebody else to solve our problems, what’s happening to the rest of society?” There was this feeling that we were giving up our power to this whomever was going to solve some problems around here.
I felt like, after going through this conversation with—we’ll give him a name, Michael. After going through this conversation with Michael that if I could go out an—ultimately, it wasn’t the governors. It was the ordinary people who were solving problems in their communities. If I could go out and find these people and if I could show you that no matter what you looked like or sounded like or how much money or education you had that you could solve a problem in your community, that I could give people back their power.
It became this incredible mission and calling and I don’t know whatever language you want to do. We like the word crazy, nuts, insane but I had to do it. I started that next day, calling my mentors together and saying, “Hey, here’s a thing that I want to do. What do you think? I’m going to go to all 50 states and I’m going to find these people.” They would just kind of look at me. They would say “You’re nuts. You’re crazy. You’re out of your mind, but you have to do this.” On one hand, they were like, hold on chick, keep your day job. On the other side, they’re like “Go. Do it, do it, do it! I double dog dare you.” Then I had to do it.
Zephan: Very cool. So I love that when discovered this, it was really one of those things that—it sounds like something you had given thought to before you were even asked “If you win the lottery, what are you going to do?” and you just ran with the gut and the intuition there. That’s a huge thing that’s really changed my life, just in the last two years, has been when I stick to the things that I know deep inside I have to do, it works out ten times better. As scary as it is, as fearful as I might be for what could come out of it, it always leads to something even better. And I think that that’s something that so many people have lost sight of today, is listening into what they already feel driven to do or what they feel like they’re supposed to do and they settle for the cubical life or the corporate life or maybe even they settle for owning their own business that they dislike.
Dafna: I talk about that with people all the time. Just because you’re good at something, doesn’t mean you should be doing it. I look at lawyers, accountants who are really good at their work and hate their jobs. When you talk about how I answered that question and then, kind of, went after it, to me I boil it down to living my authenticity. I authentically felt the need to do this and had to go after it. If people would pay attention to themselves, like you did in your travels, and say “Okay, I know that there is something that is part of me that, authentically, I need to go after,” and then do it, what does this world look like?
Zephan: Let me pick on the accountant for a second here. Let’s just say, we’re got a guy who loves crunching the numbers, really just—he’s good at it—let me rephrase, he’s good at it but he doesn’t love it. Where do you go from there to figure out what comes next? Because I feel like that’s where a lot of people, at least in my age range if not even throughout all the age ranges, are kind of stuck. I know a lot of people that are in their mid to late twenties if not early thirties and it’s like “I went to college for this one skill set. I developed it and honed it in and now I would consider myself an expert at it but I’m not happy.” What is it that’s missing? Where do you go to figure out what comes next, so that you don’t stay stagnant?
Dafna: I ask people, every time I talk—and before I start, so I don’t give them a clue as where this might be going—but I ask them to write down three things that they’ve complained about in the last week. Top three things. If you’re having trouble, the first three that come to your mind. If you’re not having trouble, the three things that you see coming up over and over and over again. You’re complaining about those things over and over again. I ask people to write it down. Then, I ask them—I tell them my story. The people that I met, all had to answer one important question. What do you think that question is?
Zephan: “What makes you happy?”
Dafna: They had to answer the question “What’s in it for me?” When I first wrote my book, I had wanted to title it, What’s In It For Me but I thought “You know what”—well, I didn’t think, I was told over and over again “Nobody’s buying a book titled, What’s In It For Me.” What I learned from interviewing, I interviewed five hundred people around this country and they were all people who were solving a problem or doing something, or living their authenticity, or living their passion, that was in some way, shape, or form helping another.
It starts with understanding that you’re facing something and that you don’t like it and that you’re going to fix it. You’re not going to wait for somebody to ask you. You’re not going to ask for permission. You’re not going to wait for that one more degree. You’re not going to wait for the that one more dollar in your paycheck but that you’re going to out and say “Okay, I have a problem. You might have that problem too. I’m going to solve it for both of us.” What does that lead to? We can—oh, this is just terrible. I’m so sorry about this truck!
Zephan: You’re fine. The ear-buds help a lot. I can hear you pretty clearly.
Dafna: Okay, good. Okay, thank you. Sorry, audience. When you think about that element of “What’s in it for me,” I go back to the people that I interviewed and one of the guys, no joke, had been in the military. When he was in the military, they didn’t have good razors when he was out in the field. He came up with a razor that was good for the field. And then he worked on was to get that out there. Finding grants and this that and the other thing. Why? Because he had a problem.
We always say, I didn’t make it up, “Necessity is the mother of invention.” If we boil it down to, you don’t need to be an inventor, you simply need to be able to listen to yourself and say, “Okay. I’m facing something. There is something that’s just not working. I’m the person to solve it. I don’t need somebody to ask me or tell me to do it. I’m the person to do it.” I think that that’s that first step to identifying, “Okay, I can find what makes me happy.” Here’s the thing, let’s say you’re a really good accountant, or you’re really good at business, or you’re really good at law. How are the ways that your talents and skills play into solving that problem or creating that opportunity? You don’t need to put all of these expertise that you have been developing over the years into a drawer. They all play into you living your authenticity and your passion. It simply starts by making a list.
Zephan: So I’d have to say that this is very much in alignment with what I did. I ran a video production company—I still do but for a long time, that was the only thing that I did. It took that travel around the country to realize I’m extremely good at this. I don’t have the same passion that I use to for it, so clearly, there’s something here. There has to be some part of shooting a video that I do love, that keeps me doing this. What I found was, it’s the story telling. I’m a story teller. I give details that paint vivid pictures in people’s mind of where I’ve been and what I’ve done and what it felt like to be there. Once I found out that storytelling was really the passion and video was more of my best communicator for getting it out there—
Dafna: Right. It was your medium.
Zephan: —that’s when it clicked. It’s very interesting to hear that. I think that you’re 100% correct in that, figuring out what about those things has kept you there for so long because there’s something there underneath of it all. It’s just a matter of asking a better question.
Dafna: That’s right. When you say it that way… So my husband has a book called Ask the Questions to Empower Your Life, and our whole world is about asking better questions. When he asked me what I would do if I won the lottery, that was the question I needed to hear to be able to come to the point where I understood what I needed to do. I don’t know that that’s the question for everybody. Although, we have a fun workshop that’s all around that question. But ultimately, it is, as you said, what are the questions we’re asking ourselves. You could interview Michael. He could tell you this story. His whole premise is we can ask ourselves questions that move the needle forward or we can ask ourselves questions that keep us stagnant. We make the choice. We have the capacity to make that choice. Really, it was his guidance.
I talked about, in my book and in my travels, that the people who are successful all had a cheerleader. He was my cheerleader. He was the one. There was a point—I don’t know if you faced this in your travels, but there was a point where I ran stone cold out of money. I was about twenty-five states in, so at the half way mark, there was not one penny left. I wrote a letter of resignation, if you will, to my board. I said to them “I failed. I captured two hundred and fifty stories. There is still a lot of good work I think that we could do based on these stories. I’m not going to make it to all fifty states.” I sent him the draft of the letter to review. He sent me a text message back and he says “Not yet. We’re not done yet.” I came back to his house. I was at the playground across the street with my kids. I walked back into his house and he said “I’m sorry, we don’t quit.”
He had an opportunity in that moment, right? I became this very expensive girlfriend all of a sudden. He had an opportunity in that moment to say “Yeah. You know what, you did a really good job. I’m proud of you for getting to twenty-five states. That’s a really big deal. Most people won’t get to twenty-five states in their lives. That’s a really big deal that you just did. Let’s call the hospital and see if you can get your job back.” But he didn’t do that. He said “You’re doing something important here. I believe in you. I’ll do whatever it takes to help you. We’ll get back on the phone. We’ll call some more people.” It was 2009. It was a really hard time to raise money but “We’ll get back on the phone and we’ll call some people. We’ll make this happen. You’re not in this alone.”
I tell people, when they’re going out on the limb, when they wake up in the morning—some people will say, God spoke to them, others will say the universe has delivered. I don’t care what language you use. I really don’t. It’s different for each of us. When we wake up in the morning and all of a sudden, our belly is on fire, we have a passion. We have a desire. We have a need for something to do. Recognize that lots of people are going to tell you, you’re nuts. They’re going to walk away from you but the cheerleaders are going to stay right there with you. They’re not yes men. They’re not people who are going to say, “Yes, absolutely. Go ahead. Yes, absolutely.” They’re people who are going to challenge you. They’re going to support you. They’re going to believe in you. Sometimes, they’re going to believe in you more than you believe in you. That’s what it takes to get it done.
I also say to people, let’s say, you’re the one who has this great idea. We’ve written down our three things that we complain about. We figure out one of them really good. Lots of people are impacted by this one thing and there are things that we can do about it. You’re not a leader. You’re not the person who’s going to go out there and do it. You know the person who is. Go out there and find that person and tell them “Hey, I need you.” I met many people like this, by the way. “I need you to do this. I’m going to stand behind you all the way. You’re going to be our leader and we’re going to solve this problem together.” You don’t need to be alone. A lot of people, before they get to that trajectory where they can solve a problem, they’re alone and it’s hard.
Zephan: I’ve certainly had, probably a lot more often this year than last year, moments where I’ll take a step back and I’m like, “You know what, right now, I could give up. This could be it.” Much like you said, “I could go home and I put in a good effort. I got halfway there and I should congratulate myself for that.” That’s not good enough, at least for me. I personally am very fortunate to have the inner cheerleader to say that. Having that person there to do that, is extremely helpful. They’re kind of like the voice of reason coming back in and saying “Whoa, what’s happening? Yesterday, everything was fine and you were on it. Now, today, you’re just going to give up?” I know what it’s like to have that person there. I’ve had coaches throughout my life, whether it’s been in sports, whether it’s been in business and they’ve really been the people who have just said “You know what, it doesn’t stop here.”
Dafna: That’s right. I tell people, find that mentor, find that coach. If you can’t find it, reach out to me. I’ll be your cheerleader. You call me up that day where you’re having doubt. You send me your draft letter of resignation. I’ll look you in the eye and say “We’re not done yet. We’re not done yet.” That’s what we have to do for each other. I also think, fortunately, we’re moving forward from our huge economic crisis. We can see the light at the end of the tunnel. We can see that we’re starting to build our economy again. We’ve turned that corner. But when we were going through that, you know what, we needed somebody, every single day, to say “We can do this. We can make it through. We can take that one more step.”
The old adage “Success is one step beyond failure.” The day that I wrote that letter of resignation and that I said to Michael “I’m done.” He said to me, “No, no. We’re not done yet.” It was only three days later that I was reached out to by Oprah Radio to be interviewed by Maya Angelou.
Dafna: Three days! You couldn’t see that dividing line between failure and success any more clearly. Three days. That interview with Maya Angelou didn’t necessarily change the trajectory of my journey, I didn’t all of a sudden raise all of the money that I needed to to get it done. That wasn’t our reality but we weren’t, anymore, the sound of one hand clapping. We needed to be able to tell the story and she gave us a platform. It was amazing.
Zephan: That reminds me about this great video that Gary Vaynerchuk put out at one point, maybe a couple years back. As you know, he’s a little bit vulgar. He’s a little bit interesting but he’s good. He put out this video that was called What is the ROI—What is the Return on Investment for Your Mother.
Zephan: Much like what you said there, you can’t look back and say “Because I had this one moment where I was on this interview with Maya Angelou, that ABC happened later on.” Gary kind of goes in and says “I can’t tell you that in the third grade some kid in my class said I looked stupid and my mom told me that it would be okay and that’s the reason why here I am today, a multimillion dollar business owner.” You can’t look back and correlate it. It doesn’t work that way. But because that event happened in his life, that helped to shape who he is today.
Dafna: That’s exactly right. All of that—you said before, you’re a storyteller. I consider myself a storyteller too. I want that to be my job title. I am a storyteller. I teach people to tell their stories because through stories we all learn the best. But all of the pieces of our growing up, are pieces of that story. Your mom supporting you through a bully’s unkind words are part of what gave you the structure to be able to support your colleague through an abusive boss. We can never see the direct connection but they are all part of the story that makes us who we are.
Everybody’s story is fascinating. Every single—there is not a person—when I was traveling the country, I would put it out on social media “I’m coming here, I’m coming there. Who are the people who are solving problems in your community?” It was very open-ended. I didn’t want it to be about what I thought were issues, I just wanted it to be about who are the people that you think are solving problems in your community. You live there, I don’t live there. I didn’t look at the nominations and say “Yeah, this guy’s interesting. This guy is not interesting.” I just followed the path because I know that there is nobody in the world…I dare you to find somebody that I can sit across from and not share a fascinating story about their life.
When you’re asking for people who are solving problems—I made a promise to myself. It was interesting, a woman who read my book recently said “I want to tell you what the most meaningful part about your book was.” I wrote in the book, and this is what impacted her, that, for a solid year, I said not one negative thing. I want not looking for anything negative to say about our country. I was looking for every positive story that I could possibly tell you. There are plenty of avenues for you to get negative news. You can troll social media and troll communities and you can complain and whine and bad mouth all you want. That wasn’t what I was doing. I was going to go around the country. I was going to find every uplifting story that I possibly could find for a solid year.
And I haven’t stopped. I love social media. I fell in love with it during this year. I learned it for this year. I’m a technophile but somehow I was late to the social media bandwagon. I really don’t understand it, but whatever, I’ll get over it. Through this year, I learned and fell in love with social media. I have a very strong social media mission statement. In short, it’s changing the mirror we use that reflects who we are as a society. My job was to give you a different mirror to look at.
Our media—there is a chapter in my book where I ask the question, if my trouble getting media when others who did similar things that were not that much different than what I was doing. They were getting this great media. I’m like “Why am I having a hard time getting media?” I asked the question, did I bad mouth media by saying “Yeah, you want bad news just turn on the news and you’re going to get your bad news”? But it was the truth. There is study after study that the media agencies that they try this good news stuff and nobody wants to hear it. I think we’re making our choices by our self, now. How many people sit in front of the television every day verses utilize Netflix? Get their stories in chunks by the people they follow on social media. Make very specific decisions about who they follow and what content they’re reading and absorbing. That’s all about changing the mirror.
Zephan: It’s so funny to hear you say this because I went on a training last night. This was just a training for Facebook and how to build a bigger following. One of the slides, I have a picture of it on my phone, but it says “People share content that represents the way that they want to be perceived.” A lot of the content that’s going viral now are these super inspirational videos of people that are doing good in the world. People aren’t sharing the pictures of the bodies washing up in, I think is it Syria or—
Zephan: In Turkey. People aren’t necessarily sharing that near as often as they’re sharing, here’s the—I just saw a video yesterday. They took this couple that had been in a relationship and seven years later, they put them in a room. They had them ask each other questions like, why did we break up? Where did we go wrong? What did we learn? They almost fell in love again, over the video. That’s getting shared virally because people want to relate to that inspirational feeling. That’s a huge thing that’s going on right now with social media.
Dafna: It is. We feed into it. If you look and explore your own postings, how many get likes. Which content is it that everyone’s excited about? It’s the smile. It’s the heartfelt quote. It’s the story. It’s the—and there is this conversation—my big thing, and I train on social media storytelling, in particular. My big thing is authenticity. That’s my number one word. I say to people when they do workshops with me, if they come out with nothing else but the understanding that they need to be authentic, then I have done my good value in the world today.
But if you look at the stories that authentically shared about those happy moments and those loving moments and balance it with people saying “Well, nobody’s kids are always that cute or always that happy or always that,” whatever you want to say about what people are posting, I don’t care. I don’t need to see the meltdowns. I have the meltdowns in my own house. I don’t need to experience your meltdown. I’m happy to experience your beautiful first day of school picture, even if that night there was a holy meltdown over “I don’t want to do homework. I still want it to be summer.” It’s okay to be sharing those things that lift us up because we are looking for community that lifts us up. We are not looking for a community that pulls us down. Social media really gives you that opportunity.
I talk about—there was an experience I had a number of years ago, before I quit my job and traveled the country. I did a training through a program called, The White House Project. The idea of The White House Project doesn’t exist today, was creating a pipeline. It was nonpartisan, of women to run for office. That was the whole goal. I met this young woman from Pakistan, who was in the United States on a fellowship. She did this training with us here in Denver. Then, whatever, life goes on. I get on social media and she finds me. We’re connected on social media.
Fast forward five years, and she’s going through her second pregnancy. She had had a horrific experience through her first pregnancy because where she lives in Pakistan there was no Lamaze, there was no pain blocker medication for birth, there was really no focus on the woman getting through the experience without trauma. Here comes Facebook and I’m able to send her Lamaze videos. I’m able to coach her through breathing. I become a sister of this woman in Pakistan who I spent one week in training with. Then, because of Facebook, we were brought back together in community.
I think it’s the most brilliant thing ever on the planet. It has made our world so tiny. That’s the way it needs to be because, guess what, there are pictures of kids who are washing up afloat. They are Syrian children who are trying to get away. They’re in Turkey. You know what, it matters to our world. It matters to us. While we may not be sharing that as much, we’re aware of it. We know people who live in Turkey. We can contact people who live in Turkey. It doesn’t cost us an arm and a leg to make a phone call over there if we have family who is abroad. It’s because we have social media. I think there’s so much value in social media and building our community the way that it needs to be built.
In changing the way our generation, who has been involved in social media… My kids aren’t on Facebook yet. They’re thirteen, fourteen and twenty. The twenty-year-old is on Facebook and he’s been on Facebook for some time. The thirteen and the fourteen-year-old, they’re not so interested in it. They’re going to find their other platforms. They’re going to be communicating on social media in their own way. There’s this expectation that they’re going to be connected to world, not where we came into it and it’s like “Oh my god. Opportunity, opportunity.” For them it’s “Well, of course, I’m going to be connected around the world. Of course, I’m going to see my cousins who live in the middle east grow up.” It’s an amazing, beautiful, brilliant thing.
You and I, we talk about travel. We’re passionate about travel. Every time I open Facebook, I’m traveling. I’m traveling to Ohio. I’m traveling to New Jersey. I’m traveling to the Middle East, every single day.
Zephan: It’s actually where I go when I’m making posts. I’ll check in at the airport and say something about it. I don’t think I’m ever really home when I’m posting. I’m always on the go, doing something, when I post. I’d be curious to see, ten years from now, what your kids are using to communicate. Because obviously, it’s constantly changing. Part of me had, kind of, taken a guess and said that we might actually see things reverse and come back to a more personal one on one approach. I think that with how many people are building their tribes back up and doing a lot more in person meetings, I wonder if that might come back. We’ll have to see what happens.
Just to round this all off because this is such a great conversation, out of all of your travels, out of hundreds of people that you’ve talked to, if there was just one thing that you could say to someone who wants to know how they can live the most meaningful life, what would it be?
Dafna: Every single person that I interviewed—it was South Dakota that I had my, kind of, epiphany moment. I learned a lot through this year, so I say this with all deference to the Native American community who were displaced. The pioneers did some things very, very right. They understood that in order to be success, they not only had to plant their fields and build their barns, they had to help their neighbor plant their fields and build their barns. Together, they build the church and the school house. Today is no different. I not only have to build my business but I have to help you build yours, and I have to be your customer and you are my customer. Together we build the community center. It is simple. It is basic. It is 1+1=2. That is how we succeed in this country.
I really believe that entrepreneurship, small business, that’s where we’re going as a society. It is a little bit of a shift. It got very exciting, all of the big business coming in. Now, that big business has its platform. They’re there. It’s time for us to turn a little bit and start growing back to that mom and pop, and that neighbor down the street, that kid who has the great business idea that turns into this global phenomenon called Facebook. We have to support each other. That’s how our community grows.
Every story that I shared, that’s the essence of it. You can go—there are three hundred and seventy-five videos. I interviewed five hundred people. You can spend a lifetime watching all of these videos. There’s also the book that you can feel free to pick up called It Takes a Little Crazy to Make a Difference. I hope that it will inspire you. I wrote it in a way that my goal—I wrote my story, but I hope that you read yours and that it inspires you to take control of what you want to do. I extend that promise again, if you don’t have a cheerleader in your life, call me. I’m easy to find. I’ll be your cheerleader.
Zephan: Perfect. And what’s the best place to find you online, like website wise or is there a social media? What would you like people to contact you through?
Dafna: Yeah. They can totally find me on Facebook. I probably hang out there the most, even though the Twitter is my favorite. All of my social information, contact information, phone, email, can be found on my website, which is dafnamichaelsonjenet.com D-A-F-N-A-M-I-C-H-A-E-L-S-O-N-J-E-N-E-T-dot-com.
Zephan: Perfect. I have a name like that, too. Zephan Moses Blacksburg, so I always have to spell it out for people. I love when you have to call into the credit card companies and they’re like “Can I have your name to confirm the account?” I’m like, “Zephan, Z-E-P-H-A-N.” I have to go through it.
Dafna: Then they say “Well, what’s your first name?”
Zephan: I’m like “Nope, that’s it.”
Dafna: That’s my world. We’re soul mates man.
Zephan: Thanks so much for spending some time with me, today. And I think everyone should go ahead and check out your book. So excited to see what you have coming up next.
Dafna: Yep, and I am excited to follow your journey, as well. Here’s to great adventures together.