YOP005: Ginger Kern – Embracing The Travelers Mindset

Bio:

Ginger Kern is a TEDx speaker, a Fulbright alumna, and a Global Shaper as part of the World Economic Forum. Originally from the Midwest, she left the U.S. to work in Europe for three years, traveling to 25 countries around the world by the age of 25. Through her online platform, www.travelersmindset.us, and through speaking at universities and organizations across the U.S., Ginger’s work encourages a culture of openness, curiosity and adventure.

Show Notes:

Traveler’s Mindset

TEDx Talk – Living A Life Of Adventure

GoPro Adventure Cameras

Reddit- Solo Travel

Chang Mai Thailand

Archangel Academy

Transcript:

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Hey everyone Zephan Blaxberg here and I'm joined by the amazing Ginger Kern she's a TED X speaker, a Fulbright alumni and a global shaper is part of the world economic forum. Originally from the Midwest she left the US to work in Europe for 3 years traveling to 25 countries around the world by the age of 25, and through her online platform of travelers mindset .us and through speaking at universities and organizations across the US Ginger's work and encourages a culture of openness, curiosity and adventure. What's going on Ginger?

 

Ginger:

Hey Zephan, how are you doing?

 

Host:

Good thanks for spending some time for me today let's go ahead and jump right in your talk a lot about the travelers mindset so how about we introduce this to everyone and tell them what it's about.

 

Ginger:

 

Absolutely so basically I'm so happy to be here because the travelers mindset is something that is super important to me because it's actually helped me in my life when I'm not traveling, which is the majority of the time for probably the majority of people and a so it's something that's really developed from your day-to-day life. The way I see it it's like okay you can have your life as your routine or you can have your life as an adventure and I choose life as an adventure. I find that by staying in a mindset of a traveler like those things that you would do when you're on vacation or maybe traveling abroad living abroad, working abroad you can do those same bold actions when you are back in your home country on a day-to-day basis. So for example if I have a routine and I noticed that I am doing the same thing over and over and over again, I'm going to notice it and I'm going to switch it up.

 

So whether that is taken in your route to work or train a new hobby or cooking something totally out of my comfort zone like a totally different culture that I wasn't raised in those are just some really simple ways to start doing that.

 

Host:

So when you got started in all of this what was going on at the time, was it right after you got out of school or were you working, when did you decide I'm getting my 1st plane ticket?

 

Ginger:

So that we will have to rewind way back probably to like 13 years old, that actually was my 1st time abroad I actually don't remember my 1st time abroad because I was about 18 months old, it's one of those flying babies probably crying on the plane you know in the seat next to you that you hate, but I've matured since then I promise I'm a much better flyer now. Right now the 1st time that I actually traveled was let's see about 2 weeks just to Germany and Austria, and then didn't get too much of an in-depth experience in the culture but I had a little bit of that inkling that I wanted more, and I was very, very fortunate that my parents actually made the sacrifice to invest in me and send me back to Germany the following year and this is when I was about 14. So if you watch my Ted X talk about how to live a life of adventure or other the key to living a life of adventure if you want to type it in YouTube, it's actually the trip that sparked this whole evolution of the travelers mindset was when I was about 14, and a month in Germany Italy it was the most mind opening experience that I've had and really set the course for the years to come, because I realize I didn't know very much about the world. And as a teenager it's great to have that realization because it keeps you humble and hopefully makes you learn some things for at least did for me.

 

What I did is start learning languages, and I really prioritized that over the coming years in school, throughout high school speak German continue that into college, studied French and Italian as well, was really intent on creating a life in Europe. So maybe you've experienced this, you've gone on a trip to someplace and you just got hooked on the culture and the lifestyle and the vibe of the place, I'm assuming that's true for you too.

 

Host:

Absolutely I haven't really gone international a whole lot yet, I've only been to Israel, Mexico, Jamaica, Haiti and a couple of places, a lot of my traveling has been done in the US actually last year. You are very fortunate when you got to do it much younger. I wish that I kind of had that when I was like 13 or 14 I definitely wouldn't be in the same place I am right now. I'm just starting to learn this you know like last year and the year before I just ate to travel a lot more.

 

Ginger:

Well that being said it's never too late right.

 

Host:

Yeah right it's never too late, so I kind I wanted to ask you obviously a lot of people get it that totally different times in their life, you got it when you were much younger I got it when I was like 23/24, and I started to travel and I came back and what I do I start planning my next trip, home didn't really feel like home anymore those like the weirdest thing in the world to get home and to be like man I have to go food shopping now and I have to do laundry and household chores and things like it's so weird I have to make my bed, you know it's a different. I was used to crashing on people's coaches and just kind of like going from place to place. It was odd to have a room with all of my stuff in it, like this was my private area I am so used to sharing areas with other people. So I guess I'm trying to figure out how the phrases, what should people do when they kind of get that edge of curiosity, and it kind of settled into a life because in obviously some people are like maybe they are in school or they are on track to get a degree maybe some of them have a business or even a family, how should we kind of approach this want our this desire to you know learn more and figure out what's out there without saying all right see you guys, what if I have kids and a wife like all right peace out, you know how should we go into that in all aspects with relationships with others with relationships with ourselves and how do we prepare?

 

Ginger:

Great question so lots of questions they're. 1st thing to think about his workability, so I myself I'm totally transparent right now I'm not the expert on family travel because I don't have a family. So what I've heard from my friends who are travelers who do have families it really is a point of making it a point of prioritize the travel. It's really like in bringing those values in your children at a young age and thinking about that is an investment in them rather than as a detriment, oh you are pulling out of school for a week or 2 weeks, it's like actually turn it around you are in investing in them as a really empathetic person in the future who can step into other people's shoes and different cultures obviously with the Internet and you know everything that's going on this is a globally everything is connected when your children grow up and are in a working world that is completely diverse they are going to go back to those experiences they have as children and really value them even more because they learned so early on how to relate to people in different cultures and how to communicate in different ways as well so thinking about it that is a detriment or you know I'm wasting time I'm spending too much money or whatever it's actually an investment for you and for them especially for the kids, so that said if you don't have kids and you have a bit more flexibility in terms of timing, taking time off or whatever that may be again it comes back to prioritize and it. So a lot of people get stuck in the someday very old will happen someday very owed to happen someday.

 

Host:

Absolutely I was in the same boat. When I just always was a dreamer I get so many ideas all at once so it's like oh yeah eventually I'll do that one, and I just want to do everything at once so I kind of have to be in that someday mentality, but I also have to hold myself accountable and make sure I get you know this one done and this one done because I know I'm going to do that one just not yet.

 

Ginger:

Exactly and that could be someone like a student for instance whose you know going to graduate and isn't sure what they're going to do after graduation they have so many ideas, so many plans and one thing that I like to think about is like okay what is the person that is you in 3 months going to think or be or feel or act after the 3 months of traveling versus 3 months of working a corporate job straight out of college for example. Like what can you do now so that your future self actually has really enriching, fulfilling, awesome adventures memories to look back on, and always get that burst of joy from. So it's just another thought on that matter.

 

Host:

Yeah it's really about the experience right.

 

Ginger:

Definitely and it's like scientifically proven, if you have a life full of excellent memories you're just going to be happier on a day-to-day basis anyway so you might as well take the investment or take the time to make the investment in yourself early while you have that flexibility and then have those memories forever you know barring like brain trauma from an accident ridiculous circumstances. But those are things that you really can carry with you and hopefully also share with others as well.

 

Host:

And if the brain trauma was from parasailing in Brazil at least people can tell you the story and you will be like yeah I forgot everything but at least I had a really cool story about how I forgot everything, you will find out you are really cool person afterwords you won't remember but you will know and feel really good about it.

 

Ginger:

Totally and you might even have a really awesome go Pro footage from it too.

 

Host:

So let's hope for no injuries while you do this but obviously along with not only traveling but just making life-changing decisions you know we talk a lot about stepping outside of your comfort zone. I've actually been reading a lot now on mine there is if you read or read it there is some called solo travel, and it's all a section about people who travel alone. And travel alone can be amazing, some people like traveling in groups and they should really try out both. But I remember specifically one person posted he was like 18 years old, he got a plane ticket to Thailand, he posted it was his 1st night there and he was so afraid to go out and so alone and didn't know what to do and just kind of like shut himself off you know, and everybody on the block was like oh no you got to get out there and try that it will go away after like a day to sleep it off. And sure enough he posted back later saying oh my God this place is amazing. So how do we approach it different like discomfort that arise, I know one for me has always been money am always worried before I go into something much is this going to cost? So maybe some tips to change that mindset from how much is this going to cost to what experiences am I going to get out of it. How do we move out of that comfort zone and try things that maybe it is expensive, maybe do spend a lot of money on it or maybe you do have to meet random people who don't speak the same language as you.

 

Ginger:

Those are awesome questions I'm so glad you brought up the story of the guy in Thailand, because I was actually just talking to a friend of mine yesterday about this where for instance he actually was in India for the 1st time and it was completely overwhelming I mean he stayed in his hotel***for literally 10 days and he realized that sometime he's going to have to go outside and get food, but he didn't want to do the traffic in the people and the noises and the smells just the chaos that is mother India so to speak. I personally haven't been yet what is coming directly from him that actually he realized that to feed himself he just had to go outside and that once he did he acted like he knew what he was doing and this is really the key like a lot of travel if you're uncomfortable, just pretend that you're uncomfortable like try that on like you would a new coat that doesn't quite fit right. Try on pretending to be comfortable in the scenario that you are in, and you will find more often than not that actually after 10 maybe 20 minutes of just walking down a very crowded street with a purpose you know just with the direction just pick a direction and go, just to go that actually gives you self-confidence and adjust this energy to continue and then you start opening up to the experience that is happening around you. So all of the noise, all of the chaos all of the smells, all of the sounds, all of the differences that are sensory overload for you and that 1st moment they actually become this epic discovery, this exploration of newness and alive and totally different way of living so yeah.

 

Host:

And I think something that I always go back to all the time, I don't know if you knew this but I actually used to bowl, ten pin bowling in middle school and high school. We used to travel all over to competitions you know one thing my coach always said was go back to basics because I would get so worked up, so angry and so upset about whatever current situation I was in and was just go back to basics and that always made everything better. Whether like you are concerned with being lost or not really going somewhere what do you do when you are lost you look for a map or figure out where directions are. Okay how do we do that? So you start of to create these processes that get you to where you need to be just by thinking differently. So it's like I feel really uncomfortable going outside because I don't know how to talk to these people, and I don't really know where to find restaurants. Okay will how do I do that normally you know? Just go to the steps in the motions. How do you find food normally, a lot of us pull out our phone and go on Yelp or something like that, you ask people right maybe it's as easy as going down to the front counter and being like, how do I get food?

 

Ginger:

Everyone understands hand gestures, use the hand gestures. Well let's see actually I can tell you little bit about, we are going back to Thailand coincidentally. So I lived there for about 5 weeks like the end of 2013 and I was in the city in another in Thailand called***, beautiful place highly recommended it's gorgeous like right outside of this mountainous jungle national Park and is very cool, so check it out if you can that's a tip from me. I was there and I was living in an apartment and just downstairs around the block maybe a block and a half away there was a road full of street vendors and on my 1st day there I didn't know***I didn't know the place and I had used the Internet in the apartment to kind of figure out okay like where the mall areas or where the tourist areas, I just decided I'm not going to go there yet, that would be the easy way you know and that's not worth it to me, because I'm not necessarily going to get the normal everyday lifestyle is. I decided to go downstairs walk outside, walk around the block and see what was there. And what do I find I find the street vendors and they were selling fresh fruits, fried eggs, almonds, some smoothies, chicken all sorts of things, and like that's one thing you can literally go up to a stand point may be without your lonely planet language guide figure out how to say how much 2 words in any language very simple, and most people will just help you they are just average people they are not trying to scam you and they know that you are new there obviously, you look radically different than they do so they just know that you are a foreigner; and again most people won't try to scam you people have a lot of fear around that, what if they take double the money for it. Sometimes they will and that will happen, but in terms of Thailand itself I find it is a very friendly country, and I bought a whole bag of pineapple a whole bag of mangoes. So***which is this really cool spiky fruit that I had really tried before finally fresh, it all cost me like a $1.50, and I started learning the words right.

 

So I would point at something and say how much in Thai, and then they would say the number, I would give them the money and I would say oh this is coconut, okay coconut just like a baby. So pretend that you are a child and it's okay to be a child. We get so caught up in wanting to be right all the time, and wanting to do things perfectly and that's just not possible when you travel. You are so out of your element and everyone around you knows it too. You might as well just take that, go with it and be out of your element and to be that sponge, be that child. Go back that travelers mindset and to be open to the experience as it is happening instead of trying to make it right.

 

Host:

And I would imagine it really brings you into the moment and being present as opposed to you know here I'm so used to I go to the same supermarket it's like 2 miles from my house, I'm used to this routine and I think you become a lot more focused on the things that are going on around you when you are thrown to situations like that, but I think that you're also going to enjoy and experience way more traveling as opposed to you know staying here and staying home. This was something that we saw I just went on a road trip 3000 mile road trip around the country, I came back from traveling for a whole month and I was like I can do this anymore I've got to go out again, and the one thing I realize was that every new city we got to well what do they have, there is a Panera, there is a gas station, there's a Chick-fil-A there is a 7/11, everything is here and we are so used to what's going on. So it's great to go to a place where you know nothing like you can't even read the signs, you don't even know what displaces you think they have food but it's like a haircut. And a so it's really cool to be able to do that and I think that's the type of experience that all of us are craving and looking for, and we really do have to put ourselves outside of that comfort zone in order to get it, once you're there in the moment I don't think you really feel uncomfortable anymore you're just kind of taken it all in and just being there.

 

Ginger:

And more than that you get to laugh at yourself you just get to laugh at how silly and how ignorant you are.

 

Host:

Yeah were also serious ear all the time you know it's like people get pissed off about being in traffic and then you could be in India and you could laugh at how crazy these drivers are because they are totally insane over there. I'm actually excited for that because I think I might be going there the end of this year, my friend is getting married there so I might go and check it out for the 1st time.

 

Ginger:

That would be beautiful as well you could get those cultural celebrations totally.

 

Host:

I'm super stoked for that, because that you get family home cooked meal and at least your little bit familiar with the family because you know the one person, it's a way to travel at least a little bit more comfortable if you're worried about where going to lay your head down at night.

 

Ginger:

Actually you bring up a great point that I kind of want to speak on for a second, so a lot of people they get scared because they think I don't know anyone there, I can go there because I don't know anyone, and my number 1 tip especially for beginner travelers is to contact locals who are in that city or in that country wherever you happen to be going before you even get on the plane and build a relationship with them. And some people might ask how the heck do I do that, and there are couple of ways, if you already have a couple of international friends or even just if you have a lot of friends on Facebook just give it a shot type in you know friends of mine who lives in and then insert the name of the city. Because you never know where all of those friends from the past have moved to, or where they recently visited and that's a great way to start reaching out to your own already established network to see who is on the ground or if they are not there now who has been there and maybe I can just shoot them a message and say hey I'm planning on going to Chennai India since were talking so much about India, and I said that you went there I saw your photos I just wanted to ask you a couple questions and whatever. Most people they are so happy to help because they wanted to have a good experience too. So that's like my number 1 tip, besides Facebook if you don't have people try couch surfing you don't even have to surf on someone's couch you can literally create a profile, post in a group that's associated with the city or country or region, and then ask for help message people who are locals in that city and meet up for cup of coffee or tea or adventure, who knows it might be. But those are just couchsurfing.com is a platform I'm referring to, I totally recommend it, but those are some ways that you can get into a network of completely new people who will help you. And that's the best part about it they are so willing to make your experience that much better so just give it a try.

 

Host:

Yeah so differently preparing yourself for going into this, question for you do you set deadlines when you travel to places, do you say I'm going to go to Thailand from this point to this point, or do you just kind of go and see where it flows?

 

Ginger:

I do set deadlines but I would set a deadline as in a round-trip ticket, only once or twice I think I bought a one-way ticket. So buying a round-trip ticket is actually great and that's like your framework, that's your container for your trip or your time that you are living in someplace or working in someplace, and then what you do with that time in between that's where I like to be a little bit more flexible. So some people get hung up on the itinerary, planning, logistics oh my gosh it's so stressful how can I do this there's just no way that I will no day-to-day what I'm doing, but I'm too afraid not to plan because what if something happens or whatever, and I found that in my experience the not planning within that container is actually really nice for flexibility sake. So you might say okay I'm going to Germany, and I want to hit 3 cities and I have; okay great so I'm going to spend approximately 4 or 5 days here, then I will book a train and trains go every day especially in Germany it's a place that is very well-connected extremely good transportation system, and I'm going to spend another 3 or 4 days here and the rest of the time of the 3rd city. Those are fixed dates, like if you really love Berlin and give yourself permission to stay longer in Berlin like you going to have an epic time, and if you miss out on Hamburg or Munich it's only a couple of days difference anyway. If you're having a good time where you're at and why change that.

 

Host:

So we covered a little bit about preparing for the trip trying to get in touch with people who are already where you want to go, and a little bit about how you know set a deadline for yourself from where you're going to start and where going to finish and actually some countries really hate to see people with one-way tickets because they get scared of like, you're going to stay and what you're trying to do.

 

Ginger:

These are regulations that are important to check out before you go and you can find that on travel.state.GOV

 

Host:

Awesome so we'll definitely post it up for people to check out. Now on top of that you know another concern that some people have is security like in preparing for going to certain places, you know I went to Israel and everyone is freaking out about they are dropping bombs they are in a war and all the stuff, I wouldn't have even known there was a war going on when I was there, other than this is common for everyone who lives there the soldiers are out in public in full force sleeping under guns inside the mall it's like it's normal. But how can we prepare ourselves security wise or maybe in our mindsets to make sure that we are not necessarily making mistakes but making sure that were being at least a little bit cautious like should we be bringing copies of our passport, should we be stowing money in different places what do you think we should do.

 

Ginger:

Okay so lots of different questions in different areas this is great, and also I wanted to put this out there I'm making an E course to address all of this and more is going to be for 1st time travelers who really want to reduce the hassle to get rid of the frustrations and fears that come along with your 1st break international trip. Hit me up later on for that will talk about the e-book. So yes to answer the passport question, copies of passport things like that just scan it take a picture of it with your phone, have an electronic copy sent into your email so that you can access it from anywhere. If you can carry a copy with you then great, obviously make sure it's in a different place than you would keep your passport that's possible. And my big thing is really travel as light as possible. For instance when you are going out especially if it's in a developing country, are you going out at night? Do you really need to bring your camera with you, do you really need to have that big purse with you? And when you are doing anything outside of your hotel or guesthouse whatever it might be your friends house and you are alone and you look like a foreigner, you have 2 choices there security wise yes you can definitely be cautious but the number 1 thing that is going to help you in terms of, what's the word warding off predators I guess what comes to mind is not really it, prevention is the way you carry yourself. So are you a victim or Victor, it is a super simple it is coming from your own confidence. So when you are walking down that street are you walking with a purpose especially if you're a woman, or are you kind of coloring already are you hugging the wall of the building that you're walking next to, are you clutching your purse to you you are looking around like you are scared ask someone is going to rob you at any moment, are you playing the victim or are you playing the Victorville has a purpose know whether she's going or he's going and is just willing to walk. Another great tip in terms of security and caution before, if you're uncertain about how something works look around you and observe for moment just up where you are and observe how the locals are doing things because chances are if you see patterns in that that's how things are normally done, and if you can emulate that if you can copy that then you're not sought out as a target, you're not seen as someone foreign or who doesn't know what's going on or a victim again it goes back to that. So take a 2nd for yourself just observe the situations survey the lay of the land and go from there. Does that make sense?

 

Host:

 

Yeah absolutely I mean it's kind of like being street smart and using common sense for the most part you know just being careful you don't want to put out that vibe like you're scared of everything around you to kind of catch on to that, just being a little cautious. So you've been to a ton of different places something like 25 countries so far, what are you looking at that you haven't been to, you haven't been to India yet, where else do you want to go where do you think that people should go that you've already been to?

 

Ginger:

OK great questions these are fun I'm interested for this year 2015 my eyes are on Mexico, Colombia and Turkey, specifically Istanbul which is very different from the rest of Turkey which is why I wanted to say that. The reasons are totally different, Mexico would be like for fun a little bit of learning involved, Colombia would be to mentor a start-up that's down there, and then Istanbul would be for speaking at a conference, you can actually probably check this out as well, the What IF conference, moved around the United States and they're looking to take it internationaly. So yeah that's could be a possibility as well. As for places I've been to that I really liked obviously Thailand tops the list I've been talking about it so much but other than that I enjoyed Switzerland, and I'm in love with New Zealand and even though it's so far away it's the one thing we didn't talk about dealing with really long flights another thing that keeps people from traveling, I can't handle this right more than 8 hours in a plane and I'm going to die or explode or implode.

 

Host:

The flight was like 11 or 12 hours and I actually had a freak out I had to go to a doctor the second I got to Israel.

 

Ginger:

Oh wow what happened exactly?

 

Host:

I have a history of panic attacks, I haven't had them in years but being so far from home I took stuff to knock me out, I wanted to sleep the plane ride off. So I take it I fall asleep and I guess I didn't take enough because I woke up two hours into the flight and you know on the screen they have, here is New York and here is Israel and the plane is like right here just barely over the water and I just start freaking out like I thought I slept through the night were going to be there soon and now I've got to sit here for like the next 10 hours doing that your head nodding off sort of thing because I'm exhausted from this medicine I took but I didn't take enough so I can fall asleep. So yeah I just had a full on panic attack I had to get antianxiety medicine as soon as I got there. But what do you do when it comes to the long flights?

 

Ginger:

1st of all it sounds really intense and I'm not sure how common your experiences but I'm sorry that you had to go through it like really must've sucked. The people that I know would do long flights on a very regular basis some of them choose to drink alcohol on the flights I'm not going to lie, that can be your choice as well to help you sleep, I actually prefer just to drink a lot of water and tomato juice as strange as that might sound and then really eat light meals, for instance when you go***your stomach it's like a cavity full of air so it's going to expand and contract as well, if you have a ton of food in their especially if it's really bad plane food it just makes the whole experience like worst because your body is already under stress, it's already trying to recalibrate and then you're putting stuff in it that's like not good for it anyway so I tried to lay off the plane food have my own snacks with me, and drink a ton of water actually bring ear plugs and a mask, super sexy.

 

Host:

Hey they take up very little space in your bag so it's probably worth it to toss them in there.

 

Ginger:

It could make the difference between a couple maybe even four hours of sleep and no sleep at all for anyone was troubled that can be the difference in having a great 1st day in that new country or having a terrible experience just wanting to go home and quit right away. So those would be a couple of my main tips other than that bring some music, bring a book do whatever you like to do and this is probably because I'm a dancer but I actually get up and stretch, like on an hour or 2 hour basis I just go into the little nooks in the plane but is a little bit more space by the bathroom wherever I'll just get up and stretch, some hamstring stretches quote stretches whatever, stretch my triceps really does wonders to get a hit the reset button for the next hour and then go back to sleep.

 

Host:

It's funny you said you drink tomato juice because I used to think that I was the only person on flights whoever asked for tomato juice and I don't know how I started that habit, but it's absolutely because I don't drink soda so it's the only thing that I get when I get on flights; and I don't know why.

 

Ginger:

It's delicious with the pepper and the salt you do the pepper and salt.

 

Host:

I don't do that but maybe I'll start next time.

 

Ginger:

You should try it it totally brings out the flavor.

 

Host:

Good deal that's awesome so there is another person in the world who does that to and I don't feel like a total weirdo for doing that. So you've been to a ton of different places talk to so many people and it's been quite some time since your 1st travel you said we were like 13 or 14 when it's 1st started. How would you say just maybe in the last few years that your quality of life has changed overall just by adopting this mindset and taking on more travel and the more opportunities?

 

Ginger:

Oh man I just got really happy when you asked me that because I just thought of all of the people around the world that I am friends with now. Literally feel like I have a support network wherever I go, even if I don't know someone directly I know someone who knows someone. So slightly degrees of separation in my world are so small, and it feels like and basically supported by this huge net of people that are compassionate, awesome, human beings rocking life and just want to help, I think that's like the main thing that you get out of the more that you travel, the more you see that we are all really trying to get the same things in life and the most people are actually super helpful, super nice it's just a matter of reaching out and giving them that opportunity to open up and be kind and share something share an experience with you. So for me my quality of life in terms of my community and feeling like I really have a global community of supporters, of friends of even business partners or whatever that may be, they are everywhere and I don't have to ever feel bored or alone, or stranded all of those feelings that so many people might feel on a day-to-day basis. It's just a really, really lovely feeling and I'm so grateful for it. So thanks for asking that question.

 

Host:

Yes we answered some stuff is probably going to come up in the last question I just want to kind of round it out. How do you derive purpose, how do you fulfill by doing this because whatever notice all the people that I've talked to the common trend is you travel and idea in this podcast is to talk about purpose and living life the way that you want to, I think that probably 75 or 85% of us realize that traveling and experiences are a big part of that. So how do you define purpose, and what makes you fulfilled in doing all this?

 

Ginger:

So how do I define purpose. I think it's the feeling of aliveness, I don't think I feel it is definitely just a feeling of being energized of being activated, of having boundless energy is just the word is coming to mind and that's when you know if it's something that is good and you follow it and keep going with it and exploring do more of it, and travel is one of those things. It makes people come alive it makes me come alive a lot of times, not to say that there weren't challenges but also in the challenges there is a chance to just push your edge and really get out of that comfort zone we were talking about before. What was the 2nd question I'm so sorry?

Host:

Yeah just about being fulfilled how do you gain fulfillment from all the things that you do.

 

Ginger:

Knowing that everyone around me is actually probably wanting the same thing that I am it's much easier to relate to people and I get a lot of fulfillment out of relating to people and connecting with people. And so what travel teaches you is you know empathy, compassion, spirit of adventure, curiosity is super important just at openness that comes open-mindedness, all of those things they are actually fulfilling in your day-to-day life even when you're not on the road somewhere. And for me it's just been such a pleasure such a joy to experience that time and time again, even just where I am right now Boulder Colorado where he lived for the past year just a few trips here and there and now living internationally just to be able to have that mindset, you know normal is just a construct and anything can happen, and I can make up anything that I want because that's just what people do all around the world. Why are things the way they are well someone thought of it and decided to make it up. That's something that's like really been an eye-opener for me and I'm sure for anyone who decides to step onto a plane and into another country it will also be for you.

 

Host:

Awesome, awesome I love it thank you so much for taking time out of your day to be here with me. You are in Boulder right now where do you think the next places you're going to end up in your future?

 

Ginger:

I'll be in LA for the 1st time so that will be a culture shock, next week for an event called the arch Angel Academy, I keep trying to find out if it's… English is not the best language farming. So yes a that's my next destination.

 

Host:

Awesome and where is the best place for people to find out you mentioned a bit about your E course and your website address if you have a Facebook page things like that working people find you.

 

Ginger:

Totally so the website itself is just travelersmindset .us, traveler with one L for anyone who is listening from Canada or you know countries around the world, and then in terms of the E course just hop on the newsletter so is travelersmindset.us/newsletter and I will keep you up-to-date with the 1st to launch. So right now we are in beta test super excited, bringing some guinea pigs the rate and refining the course itself and pretty soon we will have it available to those first-time travelers who are little bit nervous little bit up in edge and just want to kind of do it, but kind of want to get along the way. So join the newsletter I will keep you up-to-date otherwise you can shoot me a personal email at travelersmindset@Gmail.com.

 

Host:

You good deal will hey thanks so much for being here and catch you later.

 

Ginger:

Thanks Zephan.

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