YOP023: Jon Bowes – Adventupreneur

Bio: Jon Bowes graduated from Florida State University with a semi-useless degree in Philosophy. He then rashly decided to travel the world, start a business and teach others to do the same. He now is co-founder of Podcasting Press and blogs Adventupreneur.com He enjoys beaches, marketing and hates writing about himself in the third person.

Show Notes:

Ayahuasca Drink
Float Tank
OneRepublic – I Lived Music Video
Smart Passive Income
Podcasting Press
Jon Bowes


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Zephan: Year of Purpose podcast, what happening? This is Zephan and I have a lot of energy today. I’ve got a buddy here with me, but I just—I had like a medium or a large coffee that I just chugged before getting on this because I’m doing a lot of podcast recording today. So I’m happy to be here, I’m having a really great morning even though outside here it’s a little bit rainy. I have my friend Jon, and basically, we met in a little bit of an unorthodox way compared to how I meet a lot of the people I bring on the podcast.

So about a week ago, a week and a half ago, I went to this conference in Las Vegas, National Association of Broadcasters, and at the same time New Media Expo was happening and I went over to their side of the convention center, I walked in, I saw this poster for a conference that I’m going to in July. Jon had it up in his booth and we started chatting and we realized that we really needed to talk and had to share his story with you guys.

So I’m gonna have him here in a minute tell everybody about that, but this just goes to show you that you never know where you’re gonna be when you meet somebody who could change your life, you could change their life, so just being open to that and all ideas and not being afraid to walk up to a random stranger and saying “Hey, what’s that about?” because that’s exactly what I did with you.

So, Jon, thanks for being here today. You’ve got a really cool story. You’re doing a lot of interesting stuff right now. How about we start with—I think one of the first things you told me is like you left your job behind and just went to a different country, is that right?

Jon: Yep. Well, yeah. So my story basically starts—well, it starts a long time ago, but I’ll just tell you the brief version. So essentially, during college, during the summers, I went off and I did an absolutely insane thing. I went and knocked on doors and I sold books. Educational books for kids, from babies all the way to SAT, SAT Prep material, and it came with software and stuff. So I did that for five summers. And I knocked on about twenty thousand doors, and I worked eighty our weeks. And by the end of my career, I was working aobut hundred hour weeks.

And after five years of that, I was exhausted. I was tired, I was like leading an organization, and I was just like “I can’t do this anymore.” And I read Tim Ferriss’ 4-Hour Workweek…and I’d read it before, but it didn’t really click with me. I didn’t really think “Oh, wow, I can do that!” and when I read it a second time, it clicked, and I was just like “I can do this. I can make this happen.”

And, yeah, so I went back to Tallahassee, I went to Florida State University, and so I went to Tallahassee. And I sold 90% of my possessions and I bought a one-way ticket to Peru. And I had no idea how I was gonna make money. I had no idea—I didn’t have a lot of money saved up. And I just—I didn’t know what I was gonna do. I didn’t speak Spanish, I bought a little Spanish dictionary, and I just went there. And I started selling gigs on Fiverr and things just took off from there. But it was—it was quite a challenge. It was quite a risk that I took.

Zephan: Absolutely. So, for everybody listening, Fiverr, fiverr.com—F-I-V-E-R-R.com is a place where you can basically get anything for five bucks, from graphic design work to help with your website. All sorts of stuff. Audio editing, if you guys run a podcast—there’s some really neat things out there. And Jon has some cool stuff we’re gonna talk about in a minute, but… Why Peru? Like, what was your calling to pick that over, you know, anywhere else, or even staying locally?

Jon: Well…ayahuasca was one of the big reasons. Do you know what ayahuasca is?

Zephan: No, what’s that?

Jon: So ayahuasca is a drink. It’s a tea that the shamans in the Amazon jungle make out of a root and a plant, and essentially when you drink it, it induces hallucinations for six to eight hours. And they’ve been using it for thousands of years in the jungle as sort of a spiritual connector, as a purgative. It has a number of large medical uses, it has a number of unexplored things, and it’s very—it’s kind of on the fringe of what people know about. You know, people are starting to open up their minds about alternative medicines and things like that, and it’s—it was something that I wanted to experience.

And so that was one of the big reasons I wanted to go there. And so one of the first things I did when I got there was I actually found a shaman and I went into the jungle to live in the jungle for six days and did three ayahuasca ceremonies while I was there.

Zephan: Wow.

Jon: Yeah.

Zephan: So Surgeon General’s warning here, real quick. Not everyone has to do this, but this was your particular experience, so let’s see what we can draw out of it. Because I’m sure that you had quite the experience. You probably learned a lot of things that you pulled away from that. I told a couple people now about my experience in the float tank, which is kind of a way to induce hallucinations in a much—I guess, safer environment. We don’t have a lot of medical background on this yet, but it sounds like having these types of experiences is really beneficial to our lives and just kind of figuring out where we’re going.

So you did three ceremonies?

Jon: I did. I did three ceremonies and I actually wrote a six thousand word blog post about it as soon as I got out of the jungle. It was one of the most difficult experiences of my life. It was—it was just—it was weird, man. I was living in the jungle, you know, so I was living in a hut that wasn’t completely finished when I got there. And we would go fishing for piranha and then eat those piranha. And you eat a very special diet. Oyo can’t eat any red meat, spicy food, sugar, salt, yeast, anything like that for six days before, and then during the entire time there to. So very strict diet. Like mostly I was eating like cucumbers and tomatoes and then piranha that I’d caught.

And it was really eye opening to see people living there, and that’s their life. That’s just the way they live. And for me, you know, after I leave, I go back and I get to sleep in a hotel and I get to eat at restaurants again and—I got a milkshake, was one of the first things I did when I left the jungle. And it really made me grateful for all the things I have and all the things I’ve taken for granted. Like a warm bed and not having to sleep with a mosquito net over me. And food on demand. And clean water. And a shower! I bathed in a river. I just had a bucket and a river and I would dump water on my head.

Zephan: And now, do you—just for my own curiosity—do you get to remember and retain most of the information, at least the experience, from doing this?

Jon: Yeah. Yeah, you do.

Zephan: So this is not something like it just happens and—you know, like we always forget dreams after we wake up. Sometimes you can remember little details here and there, but you actually—it’s kind of like a daydream and you can remember the whole thing?

Jon: Yeah. It’s really interesting, because the active chemical in the ayahuasca is DMT, which is a little molecule that your brain actually already produces in minute amount. And scientists don’t really know what it does yet, but they do know that it’s produced in your brain and it releases when you dream. So it’s a very—it’s a very interesting chemical that really hasn’t been studied a lot yet, and it’s, uh—but it definitely should be.

Zephan: Very cool. Very cool. So it—what type of experiences did you get out of this? You know, I—I always tell people, in my float tank experience, I got to basically see my five/six year old self, my inner child and ask him all these questions. What sort of things did you get to see or experience?

Jon: Well, I—it’s a very—the first thing that you experience is called the purge. And that’s not pleasant. Typically, experiences include puking and pooping and sweating and shaking and it’s very—it’s a very cathartic experience. You get—you get a lot of things. Like I felt I was puking up snakes. Like it didn’t feel like it was vomit coming out of me, it felt like it was like…something else just coming out of me. And immediately after and ever since then, I’ve felt very much more present.

And you know, I do a lot of things. I just did a ten day meditation retreat a couple months ago in—ten day silent meditation retreat in California. And I’ve done other things in the past where people are like “Why would you do that to yourself?” and I’m like “Uh, so that I can be more present, be more loving, and be a better person overall?” like, I’m just—I’m trying to figure out what works, you know. So very—it was very negative, a lot of what I felt during the ayahuasca ceremonies, but afterwards, I felt much more clear and much more present and much more open.

Zephan: Interesting. So—and there are lots of ways to make this type of experience happen, right? So, you know, like you said, the ten day silent meditation trip. How important is this to us just as human beings to have things types of experiences? Not saying everybody needs to go and drink this and hang out with a shaman in the middle of the forest, but like how important is it to us as human beings and just understanding who we are and where we’re going in life to do an activity that induces these types of experiences?

Jon: I—I think it’s the most important thing. I mean, if you’re not—if your goal as a human isn’t to become a better human in general, then what is it? Like what is the purpose of your life if it’s not to grow and be better? And, you know, a lot of people attribute growth—or equate growth with things like financial success or having a bigger car, having a better house, having a hotter wife, whatever. And all that stuff, to me, that’s temporary. That changes. Like the only thing that matters is who I become and who I am and what I do.

And that, to me, is everything. Is just focusing on that and becoming better and being about to, you know, serve the world better and do great things and really leave a legacy of good and positivity. And not just when I die, people will—like, I’m—I was a philosophy major in university, so I’ve thought about death a lot. And—and it basically comes down to—for me, I would just think about what do I want people to say at my funeral? Like do I want them to say “Well, Jon…Jon was a nice guy sometimes, but he had a lot of money and he was really good at getting what he wanted out of life” or do I want people to say “You know, Jon was absolutely committed to making this world a better place and he would do absolutely anything to do that.” And that’s what I want people to say at my funeral.

Zephan: So let me ask you this: Cause—so this is a new one that I saw on the internet the other day. Somebody questioned and I really liked this. So let’s say your life is a movie. It kind of is. And let’s say that when you pass away, you know, screen fades to black and the credits roll, what song plays for you when the credits roll?

Jon: Hmm.

Zephan: I’ll give you a second on this one cause this is—this was a really cool question that, when I saw it, it really made me think, like I started going through my iTunes library. What music do I have, like what song really represents who I am, what I did while I was on the earth, how I felt about my interactions with everybody, how everybody felt about their interactions with me—I came up with a couple, but I’m curious, do you have any one that just off the top of your head it would be pretty cool if this played?

Jon: There’s that song—the one that’s coming to mind is—it’s by OneRepublic, and it just—it’s fairly recentish, and I can’t remember the name of it right now.

Zephan: Is it the “I Lived” song?

Jon: Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I can’t remember the name of it, but it’s “Through every broken bone, I swear I lived.” I gave it all. Like, that’s—that’s it. I gave it all.

Zephan: That’s awesome. I—it’s a really good song. I actually, oddly enough, used a cover of that song as the background for a video I did recently for somebody. Because he loved it just as much and really resonated with the lyrics of it. I’m actually trying to pull it up here real quick just so we could show everybody made just like the first line or two. It says “Hope when you take that jump, you don’t fear the fall, Hope when the water rises, you built a wall, Hope when the crowd screams out, they’re screaming your name, Hope if everybody runs, you choose to stay.” And that’s pretty awesome, and then part of the chorus is “I owned every second that this world could give, I saw so many places the things that I did, With every broken bone, I swear I lived.”

Jon: Yeah.

Zephan: And, man, so fade to black. Credits roll. That’s your song.

Jon: That’s my song, yeah.

Zephan: That’s really something.

Jon: That “With every broken bone, I swear I lived,” I think that’s just such a powerful line for me and for everyone. Cause the pain is what makes the good worthwhile, right. It’s—without the lows, there wouldn’t be highs. And so just really developing that mindset of appreciating the paint hat you go through and appreciating the struggle and appreciating the ---- that comes your way and being able to say “No, I know that this is for a purpose. I know that I’m growing through this,” really gives you a mindset of clarity and a longer term vision that enables to you not just get caught up in the pain of the moment.

Zephan: So you had a very unique struggle that you had gone through. Because I’m sure taking this drink and taking this experience on, you both struggle with the things they you’re leaving behind, the transformation that’s to come in the future, and I guess, metaphorically speaking, a butterfly emerged in a sense. Where did you decide it’s time to come home? Did you have a set time of “here’s how long I’m going” or did you wake up one day and just say “You know what, I’m ready to tackle this head on”?

Jon: Uhm, I stayed in Peru for two and a half months. And that was kind of my plan. I wanted to come back for Christmas, because my grandparents are still alive and they—they’re very old, though. And so I just wanted to make sure I got to come back and spend another Christmas with them. And actually it was really cool, because that Christmas was the first time my family had all been together in like twenty, thirty years with my grandma and grandpa both in the same place. And so it was—yeah, I definitely was really grateful that I came back for that.

But I got to say, I wanted to stay in Peru for longer, you know. I love—I love that country. I love traveling, I love seeing the world, I love having just a backpack on my back and no plans and just freedom.

Zephan: Yeah. So what came out of that? You know, you came home, you had this awesome experience, you’ve built some pretty cool things since then. Especially one in particular that you told me about as soon as I hit your booth. I told you what I did and you were like “Oh my god, you have to listen to this!” So maybe tell everybody just with your passion for adventure and travel, what has come out of that?

Jon: Well, like I said, I started off when I was in Peru selling copyedits, actually. I started just editing people’s stuff on Fiverr for five dollars, and I didn’t even get five dollars. I got to keep four of that, because Fiverr takes 20%. And so I was essentially selling my time for—it would take me about forty, forty-five minutes to so one of these things, and I’d sell it for four dollars. So I wasn’t valuing my time very highly because I didn’t really know that much about it. And since then I’ve consistently built up a freelancing base and started getting more clients and started working with more people and I started my own blog.

And then, yeah, my rates have increased, I now charge seventy-five dollars an hour, which is like—over five months, it’s increased from like five or six dollars an hour to seventy-five dollars an hour. And I started a company, with my co-founder Gabe, and it’s—it’s called Podcasting Press, and we do podcast editing. And then, my really thing though is my blog. That’s what I have is—it’s like I created this blog and I’m so proud of it, and it’s sharing my message and it’s—it’s out there. And it’s good! Like I actually like the design.

Zephan: Yeah, it’s very real!

Jon: And like I said, my most—one of my most popular posts on there is about my ayahuasca experience. And it’s like six thousand words and—and it’s just really—it’s really inspiring to see so many people just going on there and commenting and “Thank you for sharing this, Jon,” and “This is awesome, I want to do this one day, and I want to experience this,” and that’s—that’s very cool.

Zephan: That’s really cool. So—what an awesome journey. You know, like—and it’s just starting. It’s really cool to kind of look back and say so many things that are amazing have happened already and there’s so much in the future to look forward to. What were—did you have fears going into Peru, or even also after you came back? Fears about getting started and where you were gonna go?

Jon: Yeah. Absolutely. Uhm—I mean, I try to go where my fear is because that’s where there’s an opportunity for growth. And I was—I had a blog actually—this is my third blog that I’ve had. Well, it’s really like my fifth or sixth, but I had two or three that I did one post on then just deleted the whole thing. Then I had a blog where I was consistently blogging every day for two or three months, and I never shared it with anyone. No one saw it. I never shared it on Facebook, I never did anything. And I was telling people—I would tell a couple people about it, and then one day I shared it.

And I had a coach, and she was like—she was like “So, Jon, what are you gonna do today to move your life forward?” And I was like—she didn’t even know about my blog. I was like “Well I have this log that I’ve been doing.” And she’s like “Oh? I never heard of this. Why haven’t you shared it?” and I was like “Well, I don’t know if I have the authority to talk about what I’m talking about.” It was really all over the place and unfocused. And I was just—it was just fear. And I was afraid of putting my content out there and being judged and people saying “Who do you think you are to talk about stuff? You don’t have the authority to talk about this.” And when I shared it, all I got was likes and people commenting saying “This is awesome. Keep this up. Thank you.”

And then I ran into a girl in the library one day in University, and she said—she just came up to me and she said “Oh my god, I love your blog!” and I was like “Hehhh. Thanks!” And then some guy came up to me. He saw me at a part and he came across the room and shoved people out of his way, like literally—he was a little drunk—and he comes over to me and goes “Are you Jon Bowes??” and I was like “Uh, yeah?” Like ‘What’d I do?’

Zephan: “Are you gonna shove me too?”

Jon: Right? Like ‘What’d I do wrong here, am I about to die?’ And then he’s like—he’s like “Dude. I love your blog. I love your videos.” And I was like “Oh…Okay, cool. People like this stuff.” And then I eventually ended up scrapping that blog too because it was kind of—as I said, it was unfocused and I hadn’t really narrowed a niche down. I was just talking to everyone. I was trying to talk to the whole world, and so it was all over the place, and it wasn’t really resonating with anyone in particular. Like certain posts would resonate with different people, but then I really just narrowed it down. I was like “No, I got to choose a group to talk to.” And that was the big thing with this new blog, is like I know exactly who my target market is and I know exactly what I want to inspire them and educate them on how to do.

Zephan: And what’s the website for that?

Jon: That is adventupreneur.com. It’s A-D-V-E-N-T-U-P-R-E-N-E-U-R. It’s like adventure-preneur.

Zephan: Without the –re, so Adventupreneur?

Jon: Adventupreneur.

Zephan: Cool. Awesome. We will make sure to have that in the show notes for people listening, because it’s not the easiest to spell, but you can click a link and we’ll make it way easier for you guys to go check that out. That’s really cool.

Jon: I think I’m just gonna buy the other domain names. Adventupreneur, Adventurepreneur, and just redirect them all to my blog because people are constantly misspelling it.

Zephan: It’s super easy to do now anyway, so that—yeah, that would definitely help. So you have this podcast editing service. You do some copywriting and things like that. There’s a bunch of different people listening. I know a couple in particular actually who are starting businesses and things like that. How do these types of services help them? How could they help them? How could they best take advantage of that, because a lot of them are probably in the same mindset of “Who am I do be this authority to do these types of things?” and entering a world where maybe they know nothing about, but maybe they have an interest for it. So what do these services actually do for them?

Jon: The—which services? The copywriting or—

Zephan: The copywriting or maybe the podcasting one too.

Jon: Yeah. Well, the biggest thing with copyediting—with copywriting, it just to know who you’re talking to. You know, you have to know exactly who you’re talking to and how you want to help them and make sure that your intent is pure. Because people can really feel that in your copy if you’re writing and you’re saying all these things but you can’t back it up. Or you just come across as sleazy. Then that really—to me that comes down to what’s your intention? If your intention is genuinely to help people, then you’re gonna figure it out. You’re gonna get it.

Like one of the greatest guys who has amazing copy online and it’s not pushy at all, it’s completely—in fact, the opposite of pushy, is Pat Flynn. And he has smartpassiveincome.com and the Smart Passive Income podcast. And he straight up says on there “Don’t buy anything just because I recommend it. Only buy it if you think that it’s a good thing for you.” And he makes like seventy, eighty, a hundred thousand dollars a month in affiliate earnings. That’s not even from selling his own stuff.

Zephan: And he tells people that too, right? Like he has income reports on his website where there’s full transparency of like “This is how many people bought this because I thought it was really cool and they tried it out and thought it was good too.” He’s very transparent about that, which I like a lot. The honesty. Because we used to not get that in marketing, and I think we’re kind of making a comeback. And market in itself is starting to be much more trustworthy.

Jon: Yeah. Yeah. That is huge, just being completely transparent. And I think that’s why podcasting has really taken off. Because what you can say, what you write—it’s very easy to write something and be inauthentic, but when you’re talking, it’s much easier to hear that. It’s much harder. So these conversational style podcasts are really informative because you can really see how a person interacts with another person, and what they talk about.

And if they’re constantly talking about “How can we make more money? How can we do this? Oh, you guys should buy my thing,” you’re not gonna listen to their podcast for very long. If they’re just self-centered and talking about themself. But if they’re interviewing other people and talking about greater things, like purpose like you’re doing with Year of Purpose, then people are gonna be drawn to that and gather around the idea, and that’s—that’s the real power in marketing, is when people gather around an idea. And they’re working with you to promote that idea.

So like, Zappos.com, they sell shoes, right? And it’s like, okay they sell shoes. But what do they really sell? They sell happiness. Their motto is delivering happiness. So they do so many things to promote good in their community and to promote good in the world and to make their consumers happy, and that’s an idea that everyone can get behind. So everyone does get behind it and supports Zappos. You’d be hard-pressed to find somebody that says “Zappos is an evil company. I hate Zappos!”

Zephan: Yeah, yeah. It’s cool that you brought up two things here. So Pat Flynn, Smart Passive Income blog—I’ve been following that blog, for everybody listening and watching, probably since about 2010. I’ve been following him for about five years. I originally actually, just as a test, just started blogging for money like five, six years ago, teaching people video skills based on what I knew with how to shoot videos. And I followed his stuff to a T and definitely made a little money off of it. And it wasn’t for the money. It was to get your message out there in a very authentic way. And it’s just such a cool way of starting a business online. He made a website and he taught people really good stuff.

And then as far as Zappos, I was fortunate enough last time I was in Las Vegas, which was about a year and a half ago, I got to tour Zappos headquarter. And I think the coolest thing from that trip was they actually have like a quota of how many birthday cards, like “We’re sorry your dog died” cards, and like flower bouquets and stuff like that they can send out. So their customer service and customer support is totally different from any other company. Like, they pay attention to what you say on the phone. If you call and you’re like “My dog died and I got the wrong shoes!”—the problem is you got the wrong shoes, but maybe you’re having a bad day and they do this really cool thing where not only do they get your problem fixed, but you might get a card of “Sorry your dog died” or you might get a bouquet of flowers or chocolates and I think it’s really neat that they take that approach.

Jon: Yeah. It’s—it’s really interesting too, because every employee there has to spend time in the customer service department on the phone with people, and—most call centers have like a “How fast can we get this person off the phone and onto the next person,” right, so they aim for the shortest amount of time possible. Zappos has nothing like that.

In fact, they keep track of the longest amount of time someone spend on a phone with a customer. I think it’s like eight hours that someone spent talking to someone on the phone about their order of shoes. Like, it’s not even—it’s not even a super complex business where they deal with, you know, systems and integrations and finances and marketing and visions and developing stuff. It’s shoes. They sell shoes. But they spend eight hours on the phone with someone.

Zephan: It’s all about helping that person understand and be comfortable in their own shoes, no pun intended. Or maybe intended. But, yeah, I mean it’s—this is our life. Why aren’t we making others happy? Why aren’t we making ourselves happy? Happiness is a choice that comes from within.

You know, maybe to round this out, let’s just talk about meaning and purpose in your life. What are some of the things that you’re doing to, you know, keep yourself levels out. Obviously you mentioned that ten day silent mediation retreat, which sounds really cool. One that I’ve heard about is called Camp Grounded where you go to this—I think it’s a weekend retreat, but you change your name. So you like go in with a fake name and you can’t talk about anything like who you were outside of this place. And it’s like summer camp for adults and you get to embrace this inner child that you have. And you finger paint and play instruments and do cool stuff.

Jon: That sounds so awesome.

Zephan: Yeah! So actually, for everybody listening, Adam Smiley Poswolsky, author of the Quarter-Life Breakthrough—I think he was one of my first podcast interviews. I think it’s number four? I got to meet him in San Francisco and he goes to these retreats and highly recommends them. But what are some of the things that you’re doing, just to—you know, I guess it’s not so easy just to wander into the forest and start hanging out with shamans like every month, but how do you keep yourself just leveled out and how do you approach obstacles when they come up?

Jon: Uhm, with a—with a vigor. That’s how I approach obstacle. Ryan Holliday actually wrote a really great book called The Obstacle is the Way.

Zephan: I have that book on my shelf.

Jon: He’s pretty—it’s pretty awesome. And like I said, you know, I studied philosophy in university and one of my favorite philosophers is Marcus Aurelius, who was an emperor of Rome, and he was also a stoic. So a stoic philosophy is essentially that the most important thing in any situation is to keep your inner peace. And this is kind of a philosophy that a lot of different religions or philosophies or beliefs espouse also. You know, like Zen Buddhists are like, always stay centered and ground in the moment. Like, don’t let anything be too great or too bad. Keep your center essentially.

And one of the greatest ways that I’ve found to do that—there’s three ways that really dramatically will impact your happiness and your sense of purpose and your sense of roundedness. And the first is like gratitude. Just taking time each day to express daily gratitude. I like to write down ten things I’m grateful for. And whenever stuff sucks and I’m like “Oh, man, this is really unfortunate. This is awful!” Then there’s also a benefit to that side. If your car breaks down, well, it’s like you have a car. If you’re in financial trouble, it’s like well you’re still probably richer than 99% of the world’s population. And there’s always two sides to each coin. So just trying to find the positive side.

And then the second one is mediation, just taking some time each day just to clear. And you can even do that really simply. You don’t have to sit for half an hour or ten days, unless you want to, and you can just count to ten. Just stop and just count your breaths to ten whenever you’re feeling upset, and it’ll, uh—it just kind of brings you back to that moment and gives you some perspective that you didn’t have before.

Then the last one is just doing kind things for other people. Like, we had a—we were looking at apartments here in Las Vegas the other day. And we had a realtor, and she was very distant, withdrawn, and kind of like—the whole time when she was showing us apartments, she was just very grumpy seeming. And so we were walking around and we’re walking between these two apartments and she got a text and she was just like “Aw, ---.” And I was just like “Hey, Wanda… How’s your day going?” and I just asked her that. And she just turned to me and she was like “You know, it’s really not going that well.” And she just vented to me for like a minute, and she was just like “Yeah, I’m not normally like this. Sorry if I seem all stress out and whatnot.”

And that right there, that was just a little kind thing that I did for her. I just asked about how her day was going. And I do that all the time. If someone’s kind of brisk with me as McDonald’s or wherever—I don’t eat at McDonald’s often—but if someone like a clerk or someone is brisk with me or they just kind of seem stressed out, just taking a moment and just being human again before being—you know, approaching them in a relationship of like we’re friends, rather than just a relationship of “You’re my cashier, give me my product, here’s your money.”

Zephan: Yeah, “Do your job.”

Jon: Yeah, it’s like, wait “How are you doing as a person? Are you okay? You seem a little bit off.” And people really appreciate that a lot. And people are kind of scared, once again, to put themselves out there in that way, because they think they’re be judged or the other person will be like “I’m fine. Don’t ask!” and if they do, whatever. They just don’t want to talk about it. But it’s really—most of the time people are very appreciative that you actually reached out and took a second to make a human connection.

Zephan: So bringing things back down to a human level, because at the end of the day, that’s—we’re all on the same playing field. We don’t know what anybody else is going through until we ask. And it’s interesting how quickly people open up when you do ask. Like, you know, your realtor for finding an apartment. Like, it’s crazy where if you ask someone how they’re doing, most of the time, they’ll honestly say “You know what, my day sucks right now. Do you mind taking a minute to listen to my rant?” and then after that, it opens up this whole new experience.

So that’s really great, and a good lesson to kind of keep with you throughout the day. Gratitude especially. Meditation—for everybody listening, everyone thinks that meditation is this thing where you find a quiet room and you sit and you just kind of stay there in the moment. And, for me, I had a lot of trouble with that. And I found that you can actually meditate in many different ways.

So I joined the rowing club near me. I’d never rowed before in my life, but I’ve always loved to be on the water, and I found that despite rowing being one of the most strenuous activities I’ve ever done in my life, when I am in that boat, my head is in that boat. I can’t think about anything else. I’m on the water. A lot of the times, I just close my eyes, you know. My body is using every muscle that I have, but to hear the splash of the water in a very rhythmic way and to just be there in that moment with other people—and especially when to have to focus on balancing the boat so you don’t tip over—it’s actually very meditative in a very melodic way.

So, just for everybody listening in, meditation doesn’t have to be what you think it is. You might find it in many other places.

Jon: Yeah. Absolutely. It’s—you know, that’s something that we miss out on a lot in our modern society, where we go home to our little boxes and we just kind of like sit and watch TV and go to bed, get up the next day and go to work and then come home again and to the same, like rinse and repeat, is that kind of connection with other people by doing something repetitively. When we lived in tribes, we used to have dances and people would beat drums for hours on end and people would dance around fires and just that—that’s a form of meditation too. And like Yoga, things like that are just all forms of meditation. Just taking some time to be centered and grounded, whatever it is. It couldn’t be different for absolutely every person. I’ve never heard of rowing before as a mediation experience, but—

Zephan: It probably isn’t for a lot of people, but I just—you know, to through it out there. You might find mediation where you least expect it.

Jon: Just find connection.

Zephan: Yeah. It’s been really cool chatting with you today. You know, it’s—I’d love to continue this again, but real quick, where are some places for people to keep track? I know you said the websites before, but just want to make sure people can keep track of where you are, what your services are, and to follow your blog and on social media. So what you got?

Jon: Well, the blog is adventupreneur.com, and I spelled that before. And then I’m sure you’ll link to it in the show notes or whatever. And then the podcast editing website is podcastingpress.com, and that’s the only podcast editing service for under a hundred dollars a month. So it makes professional podcast editing affordable for anyone, even just the obviously, which is really cool. And then, yeah, if you need some copywriting or marketing strategy, my website is just jonbowes.com and that’s pretty simple. So there’s the three places to find me.

Zephan: Good deal. Well, hey, it’s been great chatting with you again. I’d love to catch up, you know, maybe in six months and see where you’re at and what you’re doing and how things have grown and what your experiences are since this moment in time, and ask YOU how you’re doing.

Jon: Absolutely, Zephan. Thanks for having me on here, man. I appreciate it.

Zephan: Absolutely. So thank you all for listening today. Just for everybody listening and watching, we do put this podcast out in a number of places. We are on Stitcher Radio for our Android friends. We’re on iTunes for our Apple friendly friends. We also put this out on YouTube. And you can check out our Facebook, www.facebook.com/yearofpurpose. We have a website, we have social media, everything. So definitely look out for us.

Just so you know, it helps us out big time when you guys leave a review for the podcast letting us know how much you liked it. And even if you didn’t like it, I want you to tell us why, because for the most part, we try to share a bunch of different topics. But if there’s something that you haven’t heard that you’d love to hear, I want to hear that feedback. So I appreciate you for listening. Jon, I appreciate you for spending some time with me. And we’ll see you next time.

Jon: Thanks, Zephan.

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