YOP059: Dave Sanderson – Miracle On The Hudson

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Bio: Dave Sanderson is the Managing Partner of his firm, Dave Sanderson Speaks Enterprises based out of Charlotte, NC. On January 15, 2009, Dave was the last person off the plane that crashed into the Hudson River, best known as “The Miracle on the Hudson” and was largely responsible for making sure so many others made it out safely. In addition to speaking and training, Dave conducts workshops and is currently working on his next book to be released titled “Moments Matter”, in which he discusses how by employing 12 key resources was a main factor that turned a potential tragedy into the “Miracle on the Hudson” and how does one take a potentially tragic experience and turn it into an opportunity to grow and contribute. He and his wife, Terri, reside in Charlotte, NC. They have four children, Chelsey, Colleen, Courtney and Chance.


Zephan: Hey, everyone, this is Zephan Blaxberg, and today I’m joined by Dave Sanderson. And Dave is the managing partner of his firm Dave Sanderson Speaks Enterprises based out of Charlotte, North Carolina. On January 15th of 2009, he was the last person off the plane that crashed into the Hudson river, best known as the Miracle on the Hudson, and was largely responsible for making sure so many others made it out safely. In addition to speaking and training, he conducts workshops and if currently working on his next book to be release, titled Moments Matter, in which he discusses how applying twelve key resources was a main factor that turned a potential tragedy into the Miracle on the Hudson, and how does one take a prudential tragic experience and turn it into an opportunity to grow and contribute.

So, Dave, what’s going on today? I found out you were a James Maddison Duke with me, so we’ve got a lot of mutual connections. How’s today going for you?

Dave: Well, I’m excited that you’re having me today. Thank you very much, and yes, go Dukes. I am a James Maddison university alumnus, and hopefully they’ll have a good year like we’re having this year.

Zephan: Exactly. So I’m excited to talk to you today, because your story if very unique. Obviously planes don’t crash land in the Hudson very often, let alone anywhere. Maybe just walk be through what was this day like for you just before that all happened? Was this an ordinary day? Had anything happened to you beforehand? Did you even get any sort of feeling that maybe something could go wrong? How did it start?

Dave: Well—thank you. Nothing extraordinary about the day. It was eleven degrees and snowing in New York City that day, but I was there for work. I was working at a distribution center that day, doing distribution system checks in my job as a sales manager. And the distribution center opened up at two o’clock in the morning. So our day got started pretty early. So we got done early. We got done about ten o’clock that day, and I was scheduled to be on a five o’clock flight. I wasn’t even scheduled to be on US Airways Flight 1549 that day. So I think I was supposed to be on that plane for a reason.

But when the travel agent put me on Flight 1549, nothing extraordinary. I was one of the first people to board, because of my status, I’m a top tier person because I travel so much, and I just went back to my seat. But sixty plus seconds after we took off is when I heard the explosion, and that’s when it all started happening. But, even then, I wasn’t that startled, because I fly so often, I know planes lose engines. So I know a plane can fly on one engine, and we’re in New York City so they’re just gonna turn around, go back to the airport to get another plane. But when he crossed over the George Washington bridge, i looked out the window, and I could actually see people’s faces. That’s how close he was to hitting the bridge. I knew at that point, probably a little bit more serious than I anticipated.

And then he said his famous words “Brace for impact,” and then I knew that this probably wasn’t gonna turn out very well for us.

Zephan: Wow, so was there any other major announcement other than “Brace for impact” as to what might have happened or what was about to happen?

Dave: No, that was one of the greatest things that happened on that plane. He only said what he had to say. He said “This is your captain, brace for impact.” Because I truly believe if he started telling people what was going on and explaining “This is what we’re gonna do,” people would have freaked out. But no one did anything. People were very quiet. They were really introverted at that point, because I think everybody knew at that point that if you’re gonna crash into the water, it’s probably no gonna be a very positive outcome. So everybody was checking in with themselves and saying “Okay, I’m gonna get things squared away pretty quick, whether it’s with my creator or with my wife or husbands.” And so I think him saying the least words possible was one of the saving graces of that day.

Zephan: So what are some of the things that go through your mind? Because I know that one of the mentors that I’ve put in place in my life is Brendan Burchard, and he always says “At the end of your life, you’re going to want to know three things: Did I live? Did I love? Did I matter?” So I’m sure that if I were put into any sort of situation like that, you’re probably running through a couple different scenarios. And, at the end of it, you probably want to find meaning in what’s about to happen. So I’m just curious, what was it for you that was going through your mind?

Dave: Yeah, and I got to meet Brendan about six months ago. I love the work that he does and he’s right. What was going through my mind, once I really realized this could be a real tragic situation, I may not be coming back was—and I tell folks, it was really funny. Number one, I prayed. I prayed for three different things. And the last thing I prayed for is I prayed to God to forgive my sins, because I want to at least have a shot to get into heaven. I didn’t want anything out there that might muck it up at that point. But the second was the whole movie of my life was going through my mind. When you talk to people who are on their deathbed and they may come back, they’ll tell you the same thing. It’s amazing that when you think you’re gonna die, in that last moment, you can see so many things, you have total clarity on what your life was about and what you did in your life.

And the last thought I had before we hit the river and crashed into it was “Hope my wife pays the mortgage off,” because I told her form day one, “If I die, pay the house off.” That’s the one thing we haven’t done yet that we need to accomplish. And then we crashed into the river. So it was about seventy seconds after he crossed over the George Washington bridge until we crashed into the river, and that was one of the most surreal seventy seconds of my life.

Zephan: So—I’m imagining that, out of this whole experience, there are a lot of learning opportunities, a lot of things that you’ve pulled out of it. If you could just real quickly, only because I’m familiar with the events that transpired—I hadn’t necessarily heard any of the smaller details of just want happens from landing to rescue and being safe at home with family. Maybe if you could just real quick kind of pull me through what happened from captain makes this announcement to the first time that you get to contact your family and let them know that you’re okay.

Dave: Well, when we hit—first you don’t think you’re coming back, but all of a sudden, you hit—I went back in my seat and I came up and saw light through the window, so I knew I wasn’t dead and I knew I had a shot. But when the plane hit, the bottom of the plane was stripped off and somebody tried to open that back door so we got water coming in immediately. So now you got water anywhere from ankle to waste deep, depending on where you were on that plane. I was towards the back of the plane. So, all of a sudden, you got water coming in.

The first thing people usually say is “I thought you wall got on the wing and went home.” Well, nothing in life is that easy. So people were going up the seats, walking down the seats, going down the aisle and all that. But it was my time, my aisle. But when I hit the aisle, something happened that changed everything, and I heard my mother speaking to me in my head. And my mother passed away in 1997, but something she would tell me as a child popped in my head: “If you do the right thing, God will take care of you.” And that’s the last thing I heard from my mother—on that plane, what’s the right thing to do? And I grew up playing sports and I was in fraternity and I was all about the guys, you always take care of the guys. So that’s why I waited in the back of the plane before I made my way out, because I was alright. I knew, physically, I could get out. Other people weren’t that fortunate. Other people were having some challenges getting out because of where they were and just the logistics of it all.

But once we got everybody out, I went up to 10F to get out, myself, and all of a sudden I looked up and there was no room on the wing or the boat for me. So I couldn’t get out of the plane. That’s why I was waste deep in thirty-six-degree water for about seven minutes on that plane. I was actually holding on. There’s a picture that was shown on Good Morning America that was the first picture show from the plane crash of me holding on to the lifeboat.

And the reason why is because the Hudson river’s got a very fast current. The plane is actually floating down the river. As the plane was floating down the river, the little lifeboat was also floating out into the river. And no one, including myself, reads the instructions. Who reads the instructions? It’s actually tethered to the plane. But no one knew that. They kept yelling “Hold on, hold on,” that’s why I held on to the lifeboat as close as I could to the wing for about six/seven minutes so people could start getting off from the wing and moving down and that’s how my story started. Because I was on the plane for seven additional minutes waste deep in thirty-six degree water, holding on to the lifeboat, until it was my time to go.

And I went to the New Jersey side of the river, and it’s just because of the way the plane was positioned. The left side of the plane was facing Manhattan, so I was facing Hoboken. I’m going to Jersey and that’s how I ended up being in New Jersey, and those folks did a tremendous job because they had to  pick me up and carry me to the triage center, because I couldn’t walk. Once you’re out—I tell people, on adrenaline, you can go all day, but as soon as you’re out—I couldn’t feel a thing. I’d been in the water now seven/eight minutes. So I couldn’t move. So that’s how I got there and that’s how I got to the triage center and also to the hospital.

But I didn’t talk to my wife, Zephan, until eleven o’clock that night, because it took about five hours for me to warm my body up. But body was so cold, it was ninety-four degrees. It was so clod, they had to warm me up slowly, but they had to get me back to that level. It took about five hours until they got me back up to room temperature, basically. So I didn’t talk to my wife until about eleven o’clock that night, and then, at that point, I heard her story about what was going on at home which was probably as exciting if not more exciting than what I had going on. She had to deal with all the media at home.

Zephan: Oh man. So they knew, already, that you were on the plane and they had contacted her.

Dave: What happened was—and I found out when I got back—was I did an interview that night from the hospital bed with Katie Couric. She interviewed me and I was on CBS, but my wife doesn’t watch CBS. What happened was what somebody did was they called her and said “Your husband’s alive, he’s on CBS,” and all of a sudden, once your name is out, they can google you anyplace. And all of a sudden, ABC, CBS, and FOX show up at the house with cameras wanting to interview my wife, who knew nothing. She had just gotten home and she’s clueless on what’s going on. So she had a whole—she has a whole other story, which I would love for her to tell one day, How To Handle Media When You Don’t Know What the Heck’s Going On.

Zephan: That’s a pretty important skill to have, because I’m sure that happens very often with a lot of people.

Dave: It does. With hurricanes and tornadoes and all the things going on and people getting hit all the time on media and you don’t know how to handle it. I think she did a tremendous job just not knowing anything, handling that. But that’s how I got to my wife initially, and then I got back the next day in Charlotte, that’s when first saw my family when I got back that next day.

Zephan: So I’ve done—and this is no comparison whatsoever—but I’ve competed in the tough mudder races, so I’ve jumped into a haul-away dumpster filled with ice, cooled down to thirty-four degrees, had to swim across underneath barbed wire and I’m maybe in there all of twenty seconds and thinking that I’m going to die, because all of your muscles seize up—

Dave: Your lungs tight—yeah.

Zephan: Yeah, the initial shock hits you within the first two or three seconds, especially when it’s that cold. So to hear that you were able to make it through such a long period of time—and for some people listening in, they might think seven minutes isn’t that long. Trust me. If you jump in that type of water, it’s enough to kill anybody. I have to imagine that you have a very tough mindset inside or a very sound mindset that has allowed you to stay calm in situations like this, and I’m sure that plays out into tons of other areas of your life. Have you found that your sense of grit that you have has really driven you to do more things outside of that situation that have contributed to your success?

Dave: Most definitely. I was—I had the honor and privilege of being head of security for a gentleman named Tony Robins for five years. I was an assistant for another five years. Ten years, I was with Tony, traveling with him all over the world, and you get that mindset that you can basically do anything if you control the way you manage your mind. He calls it state management. That’s one of the things I talk about now, how to manage your state in the appropriate way at the appropriate time, which is a skillset that everybody could have, but few people really employ. One thing this gave me was a strong reference to be able to handle anything, and so—and life is not easy. There’s things being thrown at you all the time, whether it’s financial, relationships, whatever it may be. And you got to deal with it—beforehand, I’ve dealt with it, I dealt with it okay, but now I deal with it with a whole different level of certainty.

One of the things I talk about that day, the level of certainty you have when something’s going on is—it can really help you turn a positive outcome, whether it’s the way the captain spoke with certainty, whether people handled it with certainty. And one thing I’ve learned in my life that the person with the most certainty in the room is the one that’s gonna be seen as the leader. He or she will be the one making the decisions, because everyone will gravitate to certainty because everyone’s got so much uncertainty. And that’s why this country’s the way it is right now, because there’s so much uncertainty! And they’re looking at why things are turning out the way they are, it’s because the person who speaks with the most certainty is who you gravitate to.

So I think certainty was one of the biggest points of reference I came out with on that day.

Zephan: I could definitely see how that has a huge impact on you. And along those same lines, I’m thinking you’ve got to to have some serious focus to stay in the moment, in the present, and be very conscious and aware of what’s happening around you. I recently—I’ve told a couple people—I had my identity stolen about two weeks ago, and along with credit cards, this was a full-on—I was getting hacked form all fronts. I had flown to Los Angeles. A couple hours after landing, my phone gets shut down, my computer gets erased remotely and shut down, all of my banks, credit cards, everything—gone within a matter of about twenty minutes.

And so, for me, I found one of the biggest things was to sit there and say “Okay, here’s what’s happening, here’s the reality of my situation, here are the only things I can to, and here are th things I can’t change right now.” And just kind of moving forward from there. And I’m sure you probably had a moment where you’re like, “Alright, here’s the reality of where we’re at, and I’m just gonna keep holding on to the life raft.”

Dave: Yeah, and the one thing I call it—the power of focus in that moment. Because it’s—people like me who were in a corporate world before where I’m at now, and I’m [inaudible] now—thing happen for a reason. And I was always living for the future. “Okay, what’s my next week. What’s my next week.” Because corporate people are like “What’s my next step up?” But what you realize after you face some potential challenges or crisis—or what I call your personal plane crash, whether it’s a heart attack, stroke, whatever it may be, all of a sudden, you get back to the present. You focus in on the power of the present. And that’s why you talk to people who have survived things like I and everybody else did that day, if you can focus in on that present moment—don’t look at something any worse than it is, look at it as it is. And deal with it as it is.

That’s what I try to tell people. That day, we all dealt with it as it was. Because it could have been a lot more tragedy than it was. This thing could have gone a whole different direction, but people focused—the only thing I could tell about Sullenberger. He showed the power of focus. When you have six minutes to make a decision on what you’re gonna do with a hundred and fifty-five people plus’ lives and you can focus in on that moment, and then, more importantly, execute and not lose it, that’s a tremendous skillset that I gained from him that day. The power of focusing in on that present second, that present moment. That’s why my next book’s being called Moments Matter.

Zephan: I think that’s a great title for that book, and I’ll be one of the firs people in line to get that when that comes out, so definitely be sure to let me know when that goes out. I, myself, am working on a book too, and it’s going to be called Life Rescripted, and it’s about examining your life form a different lens, from the story standpoint, and what it’s like if your life were the movie, and who are the people you’re casting for the movie, and realizing that you are the director, you are the producer, you’re in charge. So I’m very excited for that one as well.

Dave: Sounds like an interesting concept. I look forward to seeing it.

Zephan: Yeah, so I’ll send that to you when that’s ready. So, what’s changed for you since all of this has happened? You said a little bit there that you left the corporate world. Was that related to these events? Was that before or after? When did that all happen?

Dave: Indirectly, it happened about for years after. I wanted to leave them immediately after, but I still had a wife and kids in college and expenses and health insurance to pay for. But it really started turning about a week afterwards, but it sort of hit me in the face on two different occasions. First occasion was a year anniversary of the plane crash, when I released our first book, which I was a contributing person with. I wrote a chapter, which is not that big of a deal. I wrote a chapter. But we were doing a book launch at the Barnes & Noble in New York City, which was a tremendous place to do in Times Square. But we were talking, sort of sharing stories. I found out my company basically didn’t even do anything. They didn’t even call me that night. There were other companies flying people in to help them and make sure they had clothes and give them time off. My company basically said “Are you gonna go back to work next week? Do you want to fly to Michigan next week?”

So that’s when I went “Alright, I’m just a number,” but I decided to have a job. Fast forward about three and a half years later, and it was the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, and I was trying to finalize a transaction. I was working with somebody from Costa Rica and somebody over in India as a global world and I was working with a lot of these good people. But when I needed help here local, everybody else had already gone on Thanksgiving vacation. Here I’m the one that’s doing it, and everybody else will get paid. I’m like “This isn’t right.” And so I threw my phone—which is right behind me—I broke it. I said “I gotta get out of here or I’m gonna die. I’m gonna die of stress.” And that’s when I made the decision to leave, and I left about two and a half months later.

Zephan: Well, congratulations on making that decision. I know that mane people have made that decision and a lot of people listening are considering making that decision. What else has changed in your life? What sort of lessons have you pulled away from all this that could be helpful in others designing their own future on their own terms?

Dave: Well, one thing that really was a stark change in my life was the way I managed my time. And, as you may have gleaned with some of the things I’ve shared, I was driven. I was a top producer in every company I was with. And I focused to make sure—like my dad did. Make sure you take care of your family. That’s the number one thing you do. Make sure you have what they need, so you work, work, work, work, work, and there were times when I wasn’t around—especially for my eldest daughter’s times in school, and she and I were butting heads at that point. We were not really doing well, and people tell me, “Well, seventeen, girls can get that way,” but I think a lot of it was that AND plus I wasn’t there for her.

But after the plane crash, I realized, “You know what, I gotta be there for my family. I can’t keep working at this pace and working for somebody else’s glory. I gotta take care of my family, and the only way I can to that is work for myself and controlling my time.” So now, the biggest change is I manage my time around my family events, and then everything else goes around it. And that’s why the summers are tough because the kids are home. So now they’re back in school, it’s great. But I schedule time management around my family, which has changed, tremendously, the relationships that I have with my kids and my wife. That’s probably the major thing.

But second is knowing I have a story, but my how goal every day is how can I impact one more person? That’s part of it, but the other part of it is and enjoy the process. Because a lot of people forget that second part of it. That’s why I try to teach people when I talk and speak and do my workshops and part of the book’s gonna be about you can make these goals all day long, which I did, but I never enjoyed the process. So now, if you put it together and enjoy the process, it’s a whole different framework on how you approach something and get so much more creativity on how to do it. And I talk about the skill of resourcefulness. The one skillset that I think brought me together that day, I think it taught a lot of people. But I was so resourceful as I look back and I was telling my story to people who were taking notes—all these little resource’s that I used that day. When I yell at the lady on the wing because I need to change her faith, the way she was looking at things, because she was stifled.

Or having multiple pathways when the seats broke, people got resourceful. That skillset was probably the major skillset that got everybody through that day. So now I talk about that and teach how to be resourceful when you think you have limited resources, and that’s why the book, Moments Matter, we got these twelve resources that I and others used that day and you can use in your own life our use in your business when times get tough. All of a sudden, okay, I gotta anticipate. Anticipation was a key skillset that day. We all that to anticipate what the next move may have been if someone might have been injured or Captain Sullen anticipated “If I don’t do it just right, I’m gonna topple into New Jersey.”

Everybody had to anticipate, so how can you use that skillset, not only in your personal life but the business life to hopefully get to another place where—like especially with entrepreneurs. Nothing’s certain with entrepreneurs.

Zephan: Yeah, and I think sort of street smarts in a sense is so helpful in any obstacle that comes up in your life. I know, for me, back to the identity theft issues was my problem was I’m stuck in California, I have no communication and I’ve got no money to book a plane at least to get back home to safety, in a sense. But using some quick thinking, I realized, much like you, I fly a lot, I had a lot of SkyMiles saved. I was actually able to book a free flight using my SkyMiles points, because that was one of the accounts that did not get compromised. So it’s that quick thinking that really can get you out of a bind if you’re in that type of a situation.

Looking back on all of this, obviously it—a tragedy turned into triumph. It was an extremely successful day in the sense that it could have gone far south much quicker, and it didn’t so I’m just curious to hear from you, what advice do you have for people who either, A, are in that sort of “Woe is me,” think that their life is always the tragedy, or maybe people really did experience a tragedy, for example, losing a loved one or something of that nature. How can you transform that and change that into a winning mindset?

Dave: Great question and I want to refer you back to an interview I did last year for a magazine by the name of AARP. And they interviewed me, and I was questioning “Why are they only interviewing me? Yeah, I’m fifty plus but what can I contribute to that?” and what the article was about si this—just that question you asked. Why do some people go through depression or PTSD, whether it’s military people or people who got through crisis of fire or loss of a loved one, and why do some people go through what’s called PTGS—Post Traumatic Growth Syndrome? And that’s what I went through, so there much be a reason why some people grow and some people get depressed. Gotta be a strategy behind it.

And so that’s what the article was about. And I really started thinking through it. But the different strategies I’ve used to take the pathway instead of depression into growth. And there are a few different things you need to focus on. Definitely, one is thinking more than yourself. You gotta have a mission in life. More than yourself. The people that you talk to that have PTSD or are in that challenging state, and there are some people on the plane that had depression. They lost their job, they were not in a good space because they focused on “Why did this happen to me? Why does this happen to people like me all the time? I can’t get a break.” Instead of “How can I contribute? How can I give back? I have gratitude. Where can I focus?”

So the way I did it was go out in the street and focus on giving back to the Red Cross, making sure that they can have the money they needed for someone else who was going through a tragedy, whether it was Haiti or a tornado or Superstorm Sandy, whatever it may have been. That’s what I did and tha’ts one of the key strategies. Focusing, not on yourself, but focusing on how you can give to somebody else, and all of a sudden you change your perspective.

I talked to a lot of military guys and gals when they come back who are going through that questionable stage. Now they’re back, what are they gonna do? And they’re depressed because they’ve had structure all their life. Now, all of a sudden, they have no structure. They’ve gone through something. I tell them to go get it out. I tell them go out and speak about it, whether it’s a church, whether it’s a United Way function, whatever it may be. Talk to people like you on podcasts. Get it out. Because the more you get it out, the more you can start processing in your mind—“You know what, yeah it was bad. Yeah, I was lucky I made it. But I did make it. And now how can I add value to somebody else who may be in that same situation?” all of a sudden, you’re thinking about somebody else.

That’s one of the key strategies I talk about and teach about, taking it from PTSD to PTGS—Post Traumatic Growth Syndrome.

Zephan: I think that’s a great analogy. Well—acronym is the proper word for that. And I’d have to say that this has been an amazing discussion just to hear your story. To hear what you’ve been through. I’m sure even ten years from now, you’ll look back even further and say that all the events that transpired and the person that you’ve become are thanks to all of the situations that have happened in your life, whether good or bad.  So we can never really connect the dots until we look back years down the road, but it’s really great to hear your story and to see just how far you’ve come in this short period of time.

Any lasting words of wisdom, just overall about life and the meaning of life or living purposefully and making sure that every moment counts?

Dave: I just think that—I thank you very much and I really appreciate the time today, fellow James Maddison University Duke. I would just say—this advice was given to me years ago, and it was in a different sort of context, but the gentleman told me “When you’re given the opportunity to lead,” this is what he told me, “lead.” When you’re given the opportunity to speak, speak. When you’re given opportunities in life, take advantage of the opportunities. And that’s probably the number one thing I tell people now. You have opportunities all around you, but most people don’t take advantage of them. They’re either scared or they’re too worried about the way they’re gonna be perceived. But I tell you what, when you take that chance, take that step, take that pathway—which I talk about pathways in my talks—take the path, because you don’t know where it’s gonna lead.

All of a sudden, something happens like this, and I could have taken a whole different pathway, but I took a pathway to go out and serve, and all of a sudden, I’m with you, I’m with Katie Couric, I’m on FOX TV, I’m doing so many different things. My next book’s coming out, I’m in a couple movies that are coming out. Because I took a pathway. When given the opportunity, take it. Because you never know, it may lead you do a whole different place and a whole different network of people. And my first mentor told me, I remember this, my first mentor back in the early 90s. One of the greatest pieces of advice he gave me, I said “I want to be a leader,” and he said “The fast way to get anything in life is to put yourself around the peer group of the people you want to be because they will elevate you.” And that’s how I started my mission and my travels to become a business—I manage and I’m a business leader.

That’s how this whole leadership thing started, because I put myself around those kind of people. Put yourself around peer groups, the kind of people you want to be, and they will elevate you to that level. That was one of the created pieces of advice I ever got.

Zephan: I think that’s the best way to round off this episode. I know I’ve paid a lot of attention to the people that I surround myself with. My attitude changes based on who I’m with. My success changes based on who I’m with and you really are the sum of the five, if not the three, people you hang out with the most. So I definitely agree with that 100%.

It’s been great talking to you. What’s the best way for people to keep track of you and where your book is and get some information when the new book comes out and things like that?

Dave: Well, number one, my website is davesandersonspeaks.com. I  give updates and you’ll see where I’m gonna be, and if you’re in the area, what I would ask you to do, I have a little thin that says “Let’s talk,” go in there, fill it out, and say “Dave, I hear you’re gonna be in Baltimore speaking, can I come and hear you speak?” I will respond and I will put you on my guest list. I do that all the time and I’m going all over North America over the next three months. So if you see where I’m going, please reach out on my website and I’ll be more than happy to invite you.

Second, I love Facebook, and I never thought that I would, but I do. Dave Sanderson Speaks is my page and I would love for people to check it out, because that’s where I put my latest updates. Twitter, I do Dave Sanderson too and that’s my sort of Thought of the Day or “This is what somebody else told me, try it out.” Twitter is Dave Sanderson too.

But the one that I’m getting a lot of feedback on is LinkedIn. And, amazingly, especially in the business world. So my LinkedIn, I’m doing an article twice—now it’s once to twice a week. On LinkedIn, it’s under David Sanderson.

So those are the best ways to get ahold of me. My good, called Moments Matter, the ebook’s gonna be number one out and we’re focusing in on October to get that out, and then the official book launch of the physical book—right now, it’s up for a couple—we’re looking at some dates, but right now we’re trying to sort of time it around January 15th. That’s when the next movie that I’m gonna be involved with called Miracles on the Hudson will be released in New York City in January, so we’re probably gonna time the official book launch to be in the New York City area, the Tristate area when Miracles on the Hudson movie will be released.

So that’s a little bit of what’s going on with me and I love interacting with people. So please reach out to me and I definitely will get back to you personally.

Zephan: Very cool, Dave. And thanks so much for spending time with me today. We’re heading into Friday tomorrow, so the weekend is almost here and excited to get some nice relaxation over the weekend. So thanks for being here today, and I hope to keep in touch with you.

Dave: Same here, thank you very much.